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You all know me, TNC, the guy who practically defended Batman #681 as if I was Grant Morrison himself. I still think RIP will be considered one of the greatest Batman stories ever made. But now that I have this issue in my hands....I'm a tad bit confused, almost down to perplexed. What is going on in this issue? I had to read this at least a good 5 times to finally get the gist of this issue.
Basically, Batman is fucked. Sorry for the language but that's a true statement. He's being tortured right now by Darkseid's men and his thoughts are going to be used to make clones of him (to serve Darkseid). I thought the jarring of each panel was poor writing at first, then I realize that this was on purpose. If his thoughts are going to get sucked out, they are going to go fast and it'll be confusing to see all these years of Bats coming out in one instant. There are a lot of golden age references here, so much that I almost again got confused on the timeframe of this issue. Confusing is pretty much the word of the day here, as there are more questions here then answers. Was RIP just a figment of Bruce's head? Has anything Morrison been writing on this title for 20 issues been reality? Just how the hell is Bruce gonna get out of this? Why on Earth does this need to be a FC tie-in when we got the most controversial story last week?
It's hard to say if this was Morrison's idea to tie-in Final Crisis to RIP, or was this the whole change DC might've done to the story in the first place. It also doesnt make sense that if RIP might've been a figment of his imagination. why are we having a Battle for the Cowl? I mean if he didnt 'die' then why are the sidekicks of Bats being considered new for the job?
In the end, I'm most likely confusing myself here and didnt get the whole gist of this issue. I dont wanna say this was a failure, this was entertaining. But it certainly disheartens me that RIP might not be in-continuity after all of this controversy. Then again I could be wrong and nothing is making sense to me.....I dont know.....Let's just say the next issue definitely needs to clear things up for me.
Art: 4 - Very Good
I like that we are generally on he same page about all this Batman stuff.
But I don’t see where you’re getting the idea from this issue that RIP might have been all in his head. This issue has seemed to jumped a gap of time from the helicopter explosion to Batman being captured by the evil New Gods. They have him hooked up to this Lump creature that kinda looks like clayface(god knows why,) that is raiding his mind trying to "understand" what makes Batman tic.
I’m betting, though this is Grant Morrison so who knows, that since the lump is working through his memories pretty chronologically that we’ll get to the point where we see gap between the end of RIP and Final Crisis actually filled conretely. Buuuuut. This is Grant Morrison.
I rate this a 5, btw. Along with Joe Chill in Hell and chapter 3 of RIP, the stream-of-conciousness issues are the best in Morrisons entire run. Plus I love Grants sense of humor. Problem-solving power naps!
@Muady – Yeah, this really reminded me of the Joe Chill issue (which is probably my favorite comic of the year). I don’t know if you’ve ever seen Muholland Drive, but its very remeniscent of that movie.
R.I.P. was definately not a figment of his imagination. This story isn’t necessarily what happened directly after R.I.P., I assume that the gap will be filled eventually. For obvious reasons, this story had to be told before the end of FC
Yes, I read this issue twice and it barely made any sense to me either. Going to DC Comics dot com and trying to figure out what is going on via reading the message boards won’t help any either. TRUST ME!!
Well we dont know if it’s is imagination or not. Again like Maudy said, I’m sure the next issue will explain somewhat the ‘gap’ in time. But here’s my theory:
Batman gets captured in issue 2 of Final Crisis. He gets put in this device and this lump is gathering info. Somehow along the way, the procedure is screwed up and Batman gets a huge garbled mess of his history in his head. Somehow that weaves all out into RIP. Then when the Bruce punches the helicopter, he’s back to normal on the device and that starts up this issue.
I think the ‘Battle for the Cowl’ is replacing Batman when he disappers or ‘dies’ in Final Crisis. It would make sense if you think about it…Then again I could be wrong, it could do a whole 180 on me.
"I’m a tad bit confused, almost down to perplexed. What is going on in this issue? I had to read this at least a good 5 times to finally get the gist of this issue."
Welcome to my world, dude. =D
Is the stuff you said about Darkseid your theory, or did you read/hear it somewhere? I read last week (among the other 37,000 RIP "explanations") that Dr Hurt is Desaad. Is this your thinking?
There’s no way R.I.P. is a dream. Dr. Hurt goes all the way back to the 1st issue in Grant Morrison’s run (Son of Batman) as one of his guys shoots the Joker in the head. He’s most certainly not a figment of Bruce’s imagination, why would the entire storyline be? If this is your theory that R.I.P. is a dream, that would mean the entire run is a dream because there’s really no clean break, its one continuous storyline – Son of Batman, 3 Ghosts of Batman, Rhas Al Ghul, etc. Yes, a lot of it is not real and there are lots of dream sequences, but it happened
@Wade: I think Batman dreamed up RIP while he was being tortured in that machine in FC. That’s my theory right now. I thought of it by myself but a lot of the people in the forums here are saying the same thing as well.
Cutty: I think the Ra Al Ghul story and the Damien stuff takes place in continuity. But we dont know the time frame of the 3 Ghosts, the International Batmen, and RIP. They might all be happening after one an another, but we never get a real time frame on when they occur. Again it’s all a theory to me, but it could be the case when we get the next issue.
" I think Batman dreamed up RIP while he was being tortured in that machine in FC. That’s my theory right now. I thought of it by myself but a lot of the people in the forums here are saying the same thing as well."
But……but why?? What is the cue you and others are taking in order to theorize this?! I seriously don’t understand? 🙁
@Muady: Cause there is a huge time gap from RIP to Final Crisis. Maybe this explains why Morrison had this arc before Final Crisis. The ‘Death’ of Batman takes place in his own mind and he is literally dying by the hands of Darkseid. Does it sound better then: Bruce took up the cowl again after RIP and then just suddenly dies or retires after Final Crisis?
@Champ — I had a similar theory that The Black Glove was Bruce. Like it was all some test he put himself through. But, I was wrong (again) …
I wouldn’t mind if RIP was all a dream, then it would be way easier to accept the plot holes & multiple unanswered questions. Just write it off as a dream.
Call me crazy, but I simply do not follow the train of logic to get from "gap in time between two arcs" and "the previous arc was all in his head".
Its comics, trying to put a rational timeframe to everything is impossible. Don’t overthink it