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TRINITY #4


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  1. Avatar photo MrGlass says:
    June 23, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    i liked the last issue it seems to be starting to find its feet

  2. Avatar photo jerichobp says:
    June 23, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    make or break for me on this issue. hopefully its more of the trinity, less tarot card girl that i don’t care about at all.

  3. Avatar photo robee says:
    June 23, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    I think I am going to stick this out, it is just damn impressive to do even a half size weekly comic book.  Go Bagley

  4. Avatar photo thebouv says:
    June 23, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    I still don’t like DC.

    But I keep buying this.

    Hmm.

  5. xiseerht says:
    June 24, 2008 at 3:50 am

    Whats going on ,  on Trinity 3  all I read was nothing but hate .  And now everyone wants to give it a chance?  Of course I am geting it too.  LOL

  6. Avatar photo WadeWilson says:
    June 24, 2008 at 6:13 am

    @thebouv – If this was the only thing from DC I read, I wouldn’t like DC either, lol.

    This will be my last issue of this unless it improves.

    Does anyone know how many issues this goes for?

  7. Avatar photo Truthseeker says:
    June 24, 2008 at 9:17 am

    I liked the last issue. I think this book is about to hit it’s stride. THe back up story’s are even interesting.

  8. Avatar photo chrs7637 says:
    June 24, 2008 at 10:51 am

    I am dropping trinity

    lots of comics to buy this week and it did not make the cut

    if it’s good i’ll grab it next week

  9. Avatar photo thebouv says:
    June 24, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    @WadeWilson Yeah, currently this IS the only thing I read of DC.

    I need to find what I’ve missed of Batman RIP and try to follow that.

    I think I might just skip Trinity and DC all together though.  I read Final Crisis, but just felt lost.  Probably not worth the time/money.  I’ll just stick with Marvel/Image (and only Kirkman’s stuff with Image).

  10. Avatar photo CAM says:
    June 25, 2008 at 11:16 am

    I like Trinity three times more than countdown. (52 times less than 52?  We’ll see!)

  11. Avatar photo flaggthecat says:
    June 25, 2008 at 11:42 am

    I’m new to comics, and even newer to DC.  The first issue of DC that I bought was Trinity #1, on the recommendation of a LCS employee.  (The guy who recommended it doesn’t seem to know what’s good in DC, as his only other recommendation was Green Arrow Black Canary, and that was with the most recent issue being #9, but that’s another story.)  I’ve done a lot to catch up since then, and boy is my budget tired, but anyway, I’m just wondering if anyone actually believes that Wonder Woman is as iconic a character as Superman and Batman.  If so, how?  Supes and Batman both often come up in discussions on this site as the essence of superheroes, and both make perfect sense in that context.  Is there anything similar for Wonder Woman?  Reading Trinity, I kind of feel like the writers haven’t answered this question and just threw WW in there because there was already a Superman/Batman title.  Anyone have insight into this?

  12. Avatar photo CharlieBlix says:
    June 25, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    @flaggthecat

    This might sound bad but really its just because shes a girl.  At least that what it has always felt like to me.

  13. Avatar photo zerodni says:
    June 25, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    I could be wrong, but i think the only reason they are the Trinity. Is that they where to only Superhero titles that didn’t die off between the 40’s and 50s. The time before when The Flash Saved the DC Universe on Oct. 1956 with showcase #4

  14. Avatar photo Conor Kilpatrick (@cskilpatrick) says:
    June 26, 2008 at 2:11 am

    @flaggthecat – Wonder Woman is absolutely deserving of the same stature as Superman and Batman.  I’m shocked anyone would say otherwise.

  15. Avatar photo TheNextChampion says:
    June 26, 2008 at 2:29 am

    @conor-Well considered her own series has been poorly written for the past decades (Hell Gail Simone’s stuff isnt getting better right now), a very piss poor telling of her origins, and overall just a lack of interest in her. I can see why many people dont like WW or have her in the same league as the other two.

    I’ve said this before on another site; but when it comes to leading ladies of DC I think of Oracle, Power Girl, Batwoman, and even Catwoman before I think of Wonder Woman.

  16. Avatar photo WadeWilson says:
    June 26, 2008 at 3:00 am

    @TheNextChampion – Rucka’s run on Wonder Woman was far from poorly written — it was awesome. I agree that since the One Year Later reboot, Wonder Woman has sucked (and not in a good way) … they have ruined the comic with the whole "Meta Human Secret Agent" thing, to the point where one of the best writers in comics (Simone) can’t do much with it. But, how could anyone think of Batwoman ahead of WW? She has been in like 2 issues of 52 and nothing else? I’m confused.

    Wonder Woman is the most powerful female in the DCU (arguably in all of comics) & maybe the 2nd most powerful DCU character alive now that Martian Manhunter is dead, and she is definitely up there with Superman & Batman as an icon.

    As for this issue … I liked it. I will keep reading a while longer.

  17. Avatar photo TMacken says:
    June 26, 2008 at 8:02 am

    Think I’m gong to have to drop this title, should have done it this week, with as many books as I picked up, but wanted to give it one more shot. I’ll pick it up again when it’s a pick of the week.

  18. Mandi says:
    June 26, 2008 at 10:06 am

    @conor – I agree that Diana is absolutely deserving of the same status of Batman and Superman.  The problem is that status only exists to comics fans (well, most of them).  The problem is the public at large don’t really know anything about Wonder Woman, including the ones who should – young women. 

    At my job we use pictures of superheroines for our bag check.  Two of my co-workers, both women in their mid-20’s asked me "Why does Wonder Woman have a rope?"  Now, I’m in my 30’s, and grew up with the WW TV show, so I looked at them, amazed, and said, "You’re kidding.  You don’t know?  That’s like asking why Batman has a belt!"

    They of course, knew why Batman has a belt.  And they could name most of Superman’s better known powers.  But they didn’t know about WW’s Golden Lasso of Truth.  Invisible Jet?  Nope. I’ve asked this same question to some of my younger female friends and gotten the same response.  

    That’s why I REALLY want this series to succeed, if just to give WW a more high profile outlet.  But, guh, it’s just kinda mediocre so far.  It’s so sad, I had such high hopes…  I’m gonna give it 2 more issues, just so I can complete the second set of covers.  Then we’ll see.  

  19. Avatar photo TheNextChampion says:
    June 26, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    @Mandi: Exactely! Why else wouldnt people like WW the same way as Bats and Sups? Because her origin is messed up and nobody really knows her powers. Sure they know her lasso and bracelets…but do they know she can fly and is super strong? If you told regular people that her origin was she was made from clay by her mom…Someone would just laugh at you and stay your punking them or something.

    With a piss poor origin and only an idea of her powers from a bad TV show. Wonder Woman is just not a type of female that I see as a big role model for women or for that matter a leader. Hell she cant even get a movie done! They can fuck up a catwoman movie but not even try to fuck up a WW movie?

    @WadeWilson: I have not actually read Rucka’s run on WW. But if you said he wrote a story with her then I’ll pick it up. Rucka knows how to write a female well in a comic. I also ment to say Batgirl, not woman…But hey she has a title coming out soon so that should be pretty kick ass.

  20. Avatar photo flaggthecat says:
    June 26, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    @WadeWilson: Yeah, that makes sense.  Wonder Woman being the most powerful female in all of comics is of course a huge deal, and the fact that I knew about the character from my childhood definitely supports the fact that she’s an icon on the level of Superman and Batman.  I guess what bothered me was the fact that Superman and Batman are both so well known because of their iconic, pattern-setting origins both inside and outside of comics.  In the world outside comics, Superman is known as the first superhero, and he’s known from movies, games, references in articles and essays, song lyrics, and every day speech.  Inside comics, he’s the prototype of a powered hero, defender of his city and protective of his secret identity.  Batman, outside comics, perhaps has a slightly less impressive presence than Superman, but that’s not saying much.  He’s also known from movies and TV shows, the movies being more recent and quite popular and the TV shows striking at critical times for two generations (60s kitsch and 90s cartoons).  He’s also popular because of the cool toys and the gallery of villians.  Inside comics, he is the prototype of an unpowered hero, spurred by a tragic childhood and pushing himself to the limits of human ability to protect others from the same fate.  And then there’s Wonder Woman: known outside of comic books from far fewer places and much less well, and inside comics mainly for being a very powerful female character, which is a miserably rare thing, but as far as I know, she’s not a prototype of anything.  Nevertheless, after thinking about it, I no longer question that her presence is merited.

     

    Also, I kinda liked this issue too.

     

  21. Avatar photo flaggthecat says:
    June 26, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    @Mandi: I can attest to the fact that the public at large doesn’t really know anything about WW.  I hadn’t heard of the lasso of truth until this year (except probably from 70s cartoons in my childhood), and I actually still don’t know anything about the invisible jet.  I didn’t even know about the bracelets, but I saw them at work in Trinity and the last two issues of WW (only ones I’ve ever read, and I definitely plan to check out Rucka’s run now).

    By the way, what’s a bag check?  Like, at an airport?

  22. Avatar photo flaggthecat says:
    June 26, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    @TheNextChampion: Yeah, a Wonder Woman movie would definitely be helpful in spreading knowledge of her character, but I guess I’m not sure it would make her more popular since, as you say, her origin is a bit muddled.  Seems to me it’s also just plain weird, but then, that doesn’t hold Supes back. 

  23. Avatar photo TheNextChampion says:
    June 26, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    @flagg: Well it’s the origin and villian that would be the big problem for a movie. Sups origin is an alien shot to our planet. Sure why not? Bats is a kid who saw his parents die and decides to stop criminals and clean up the city. Great idea for a character.

    Wonder Women is an amazon woman on an unknown island who was made out of clay and created by magic….Okay you lost me with clay. Plus other then Cheetah, what villian can she fight with? Thinking in terms of "brilliant" producers, there is really no marketable way to make Wonder Woman work. Sure a hard nose woman would attract women, cause she isnt just a woman in a skimpy outfit. But really with a confusing origin and literally no major villians, a movie doesnt work for her. That’s why it has been green lighted for so long at Warner Bros. Hell if Joss Whedon can make a movie out of her, then no one can.

  24. Avatar photo SamMorgan says:
    June 27, 2008 at 6:10 am

    Weeeeeee –THUNK! This book is dropped! More money to spend on far better Marvel books!

  25. Avatar photo WadeWilson says:
    June 27, 2008 at 11:31 am

    @TheNextChampion – Rucka’s run was pretty lengthy, and I’m not sure how much of it is in trade, but it’s well worth a read. It’s more about her relationship with the greek God’s and other mystical type beings, than all the Secret Agent nonsense going on in the current book. He also wrote a graphic novel about Wonder Woman & Batman which is probably my all time favourite WW story. It’s called The Hiketeia (just don’t ask me how to pronounce that), and it’s drawn by JG Jones.

    And hey, I love Batgirl! Such a shame they ruined her character, with the whole "turning bad for no reason" thing. Hopefully DC can get things back on track with her in the upcoming mini. As for Batwoman? I don’t see the need for her … they already have Batgirl & Huntress …

    @flagg – You’re right about Wonder Woman being poorly represented outside of comic books. Besides the TV show from like 20 years ago, I can’t think of anything else she has been in. I guess I always just think of her in comic terms, and inside of the comic books she is well respected & one of the top three superheroes in the DCU & to me that means more than having a big summer movie that will be forgotten by non-comic fans in 6 months time.

    And here’s a random fact for you guys — the creator of Wonder Woman (I can’t think of his name) was a psychologist, & is also the same guy who invented the lie detector — the real life version of Diana’s Lasso Of Truth … I guess the dude really hated liars …

  26. Mandi says:
    June 27, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    @TheNextChampion – I think you kinda missed my point.  It’s not that WW’s origin is "messed up" or that the general public can’t buy that she was creatd from clay and infused with life by the gods.  It’s that Warners/DC Comics have mishandled the marketing of the character over the years.  When I was little, I got my first comics when my parents took me to Pizza Hut and I got free giveaways.  I got Superman, Batman, and wouldnt you know it, Wonder Woman.  Somewhere along the way, I got a toy Wonder Woman/ Invisible Jet wtih Exploding Tower playset.  When was the last time you saw a free Wonder Woman giveaway outside of FCBD?  Or a Wonder Woman toy that wasn’t some impossible to find, single packed JL figure snatched up by some eBay scalper before it even had a chance to make it into the hands of some little girl?

    As far as her origin goes, it’s really not any more complicated than most.  It’s WAY less complicated than say, Wolverine’s… and the public knows him pretty well. 

    As far as the movie goes, they can fuck up as many rushed Catwoman movies as they want, but they can take as long as they need to make sure they DON’T fuck up Wonder Woman.  You guys want more girls into comics?  A Wonder Woman movie is the answer. There’s plenty of foes she can fight… Nazis, if you want to go the WWII route, Circe if you want to do more a Greek God/Xena angle, Cheetah or Dr. Psycho if you want a more strightforward superhero movie. Personally I’d like to see one with Circe helping the Nazis and Wonder Woman flipping over tanks to get to her.  But that’s me. 🙂

    @flaggthecat – I work in a retail store.  People drop off their bag at out front counter so they don’t have to carry them (and so we don’t have to suspect them of shoplifting).  They get a nice little laminated superheroine card as a claim check! 🙂

    @WadeWilson – His name was William Moulton Marston, but he used the name Charles Moulton for the comics.  Other little known fact: He apparently has a thing for bondage, as evidenced by, well, almost every WW story he ever did.  Don’t even get me started on "Reform Island."  ^_^

  27. Avatar photo saturnmda says:
    June 27, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    I liked Rucka’s run on WW, but the early stuff in the 80s-90s by Wein and Perez are really really outstanding. Check them out people.

     

  28. Avatar photo WadeWilson says:
    June 28, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    @Mandi – Please do get started of Reform Island! Sounds good! lol.

    I Wiki’d Marston & was reading that he is listed a feminist … even though he lived with his wife and another woman. He loved women so much he had two? Damn, I wanna be a feminist.

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