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April 16, 2009 12:40 am

So last episode we see only Charles Widmore getting kicked off the island (and for that matter only Charles in charge) ... the episode before Alpert is asked if Charles and Ellie (which I am guessing is the ring lady, Ellosie Hawking) would approve of his decision.  

Back to last episode, Ben tells John that he needed critical information. What he recieved was Jin's wedding ring and that John was suppose to meet with Ellosie Hawking.

What happened with Ellie ... is this new group with her, is Ben with her, how does she exist outside of time (i.e. Flashes before your eyes), how does she end up out of control? 

I am coming to the opinion that Bram and Illiana are actually related to her but I am not sure how ... is Miles asking Ben for $3.2 million and Ben accepting it showing that Ben is not involved with this group (we are not giving you any money)? ... Is faraday (apparently her son) showing up at the end a sign of her significane to this new development? This show is going to end with me getting an aneurysm. 

April 11, 2009 3:25 am
Islands of the Blessed
or Hesperides article

In Greek mythology, lands situated at the western end of the world, near Oceanus (the river believed to encircle the Earth), where heroes and other mortals favoured by the gods were sent to enjoy a life after death, or carried there alive to be endowed with immortality.

Homer identified the Islands of the Blessed with Elysium which later became a separate paradise in Hadesthe underworld

Associated myth

Several nations believed in a mythical paradise or afterlife in the west. Tradition placed the underworld of the ancient Egyptians, ruled by the goddessAmentet, to the west; and the Babylonians believed in an isle of the blessed encircled by four rivers. In Timaeus and Critiasthe Greek philosopher Plato recounted a story told by Egyptian priests, which described the utopian island continent Atlantis. It lay in the western ocean and was overwhelmed by thesea; the surviving islands were called the Fortunate Isles, another term for the Islands of the Blessed. Celtic mythology included King Arthur's Avalon, a fruitful land of youth and health; and the Land of Promise, a magical Otherworld paradise in the west, visited by King Cormac of Ireland and St Brendan, head of a brotherhood of monks at Clonfert, western Ireland, whose legendary voyage in an ox-hide curragh (long-shaped boat) has been interpreted by some as the first European landing in America.

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April 11, 2009 3:14 am The Shape of the Earth

The Greeks speculated on the shape of the earth, the science of geodesy. The Ionian Greeks of western Anatolia (Turkey) were the first to hypothesize that the earth was not a flat disk: Anaximander of Miletus during the sixth century BCE, who reputedly drew the first map of the world, believed that the earth was a cylinder. Parmenides, a century later, speculated that the earth must have zones of heat and cold: torrid, frigid, and temperate zones. The Athenian Plato, in his dialogue Phaedo, followed the Pythagoreans in arguing that since the sphere is the most perfect form, this must be the earth’s shape. Plato’s student, the greatest scientist of classical Greece, Aristotle, provided empirical proof of the earth’s sphericity by observing the earth’s shadow cast upon the surface of the moon during a lunar eclipse. However, Aristotle still had a limited view of earth, underestimating the extent of Asia, believing that the Caspian Sea flows into the outer Ocean, and conceiving that India marks the eastern extreme of the continent. Aristotle had the genius to conceive of a hemispheric world, north and south, perhaps basing his ideas on the reports of Phoenician and Carthaginian sailors.

The speculative Greeks, and later the Romans, wondered what lay to the west, across the Atlantic. The fifth-century historian Herodotus’s report that the Phoenicians circumnavigated Africa in about 600 BCE, sailing from the Indian to the Atlantic oceans, was believed by few, who were beholden to the myth of the ring of fire encircling earth’s equator. There circulated other vague reports that the Carthaginians explored the North Atlantic to the British Isles, the Azores in the North Atlantic, and the west African coastline almost to the equator. Diodorus Siculus, the Greek historian of the first century BCE and author of Universal History, reported that the Carthaginians discovered a vast, fruitful, and temperate island with large rivers in the Atlantic Ocean. So wonderful were these isles that upon returning to Carthage all who knew of them were murdered so as to keep the islands secret and prevent a mass migration from Carthage.

The Greek biographer and scientist Plutarch, ever on the lookout to substantiate myth with fact, studied the nature and origin of stories about the Isles of the Blessed and Calypso’s island of Ogygia. This island is featured in Homer’s Odyssey. Homer placed the island, where Calypso held Odysseus against his will for seven years, somewhere in the west, which made sense since Calypso was the daughter of Atlas. Later legends placed Ogygia in the Atlantic, where Cronos, a god of Phoenician origin, held sway. In his dialogue “Concerning the Face Which Appears in the Orb of the Moon,” Plutarch discussed in detail the myth, trying to put the best face on what might be true about it. He hypothesized that Ogygia lies to the west of Britain; the route is difficult going, in part because the sea is of a cold thickness and it is a land of the midnight sun. Pytheas discovered such conditions on his voyage, and it is possible that Plutarch used Pytheas’s account as evidence for his discussion of Ogygia. Pytheas claimed to have visited Thule, which the Stoic Seneca also briefly mentioned in his play Medea. Likewise Ferdinando Columbus, in his biography of his father Christopher, claimed that the young Columbus in the 1470s sailed to the North Atlantic and visited Thule.

Plutarch, in his Life of Sertorius, also reported the legend of the Isles of the Blessed. Sertorius, a Roman general who was in Spain around 80 BCE, met with mariners who claimed to have just returned from islands twelve hundred miles off the coast of Spain. Why they left such a wonderful place of abundant fruits and continuous mild breezes is a mystery, but they convinced Sertorius (and Plutarch) of their reality, and made the Roman long to sail there to live his life in perfect repose.

The Elder Pliny also provided detailed descriptions of these isles in a failed attempt to make fiction fact. The daughters of the setting sun, he wrote, inhabited the Hesperides. He also discussed uncritically the island of Atlantis. Plato wrote of Atlantis in the Timaeus. The Athenian lawgiver Solon on his travels heard from the Egyptians about Atlantis, a large island hosting an advanced civilization that was destroyed by a tidal wave. From Plato’s account it is not clear whether Atlantis, a vast island civilization that mysteriously vanished, was an actual place, the legends of which Plato had read, or merely the product of his (or another’s) fertile imagination.

 

Geography/Geodesy. (2004). In Science in the Ancient World: An Encyclopedia. Santa Barbara, CA: ABC-CLIO. Retrieved April 11, 2009, from http://www.credoreference.com.ezproxy.dom.edu/entry/7921308 

April 11, 2009 2:48 am I love the lovecraftian element of this show ... when Ben mentioned the temple was a 1/2 mile away, I was hallf-hoping to see the city from BPRD this week
April 11, 2009 2:09 am
Aapep
Africa (North)

Aapep ('moon-snake', also known as Apep and, in Greek, Apophis, 'Aa-snake'), in Egyptian myth, was Nothingness, the gulf that swallows Light. He took the form of a huge snake, not coiling but forming a concertina of S-bends, and instead of hissing he uttered a silent roar - the opening of the abyss - which filled the entire world and terrified all who heard it. This roar was also his own nourishment, and he needed no other food. His main task was to snatch the souls of the Dead in their precarious journey between one life and the next; those he swallowed entered non-existence, and stayed there until one of the gods rescued them. Aapep lay in wait for Ra the Sun each day, opening his mouth to engulf him as he sailed towards evening on the Sun-ship. It took the concerted efforts of gods and mortals to kill Aapep and help Ra to escape each day: in one typical story, everyone else was eaten and it was only when Set speared Aapep in the gullet that he disgorged his prey again. Each time Aapep was destroyed, all the souls he had eaten were regurgitated and could travel on to judgement in the Underworld. But Aapep himself regenerated, ready to lie in wait on the Western Mountains at the edge of the universe for the next day's Sun.

Bloomsbury Publishing Ltd Copyright © 1996 by Kenneth McLeish

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April 9, 2009 5:08 pm I am thinking that Illana and Co, are part of Ben's plan to get rid of Locke. So, his weird look at the end of the episode, is an 'oh sh*t', how am I going to fix this problem. Because if he doesn't he is dead, as per Alex's threat. 
April 9, 2009 2:39 am Actually, thinking about it, Illana and Co are probably not Widmore people, if they were passed out Ben Linus would not be alive.
April 9, 2009 1:44 am So, it seems to me, regardless of who Illana and company work for, they are the ones who Walt was having dreams about.  So the question becomes, why do they want John Locke dead?
April 2, 2009 12:35 am Also loved the twist that Kate came back to save Claire
April 2, 2009 12:17 am

@conor: Kate is ben's stepmother ... awesome

 The thing that I loved about this episode is the idea of turning the Hitler argument upside down... What happens if by killing Hitler, you actually create mass-murdering Hitler.