Pick of the Week

05.28.2009 – Spider-Man: The Short Halloween #1

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Size: pages
Price: 3.99

Every now and then a comic book comes along and it makes me look foolish.  You see, with so many comics coming out, we often make snap judgments without actually reading the book.  I know we all do this, I’m not alone.  You hear about a character, or a writer, or an artist or even a publisher and in seconds you make that decision: “Yep, I’ll buy that” or “No way they’re getting my money for that.”  In the case of this specifically, I made 2 snap judgments to NOT buy it, before a last minute snap judgment TO buy it happened, and turns out I’m better off for it.

When I heard through the grapevine at the New York Comic Con what one of Marvel’s big announcements were, I groaned.  Seth Meyers and Bill Hader were going to write a Spider-Man comic.  Great…more people “outside” of comics writing comics.  Oh, and they’re “celebrities”?  Of course they’re writing a book for Marvel.  I groaned, rolled my eyes and thought, “No way they’re getting my money for THAT book.”  Sure enough I forgot about this particular book as the months dragged on, until earlier this week when I saw the comic was on the list to be coming out.  And then I saw the title:  Spider-Man: The Short Halloween.  Really?  Really guys? We’re going to spoof a Batman book with the title? Is that how we want to start our writing careers? Really?

But then I dug a little deeper and somehow, the fact that Kevin Maguire was penciling this book slipped through my knowledge.  That changes things.  You see, Maguire is one of the best artists around (in my opinion) and he definitely doesn’t do enough work to make me and the people who agree with me happy. So the fact that he’s drawing this one shot suddenly made the concept of buying it a possibility.  I held off the final decision until I was in the store, holding the book in my hands and after flipping through a few pages, I made that snap judgment, and added it to my stack for the week.  And it’s a mighty stack this week, with several books that could easily be considered the Pick of the Week.  But after reading through all my books, I could do nothing but bite my tongue…

Bill Hader, Seth Meyers, Kevin Maguire and everyone else associated with this issue, you sirs, nailed it.  You nailed it as pretty much any great Spider-Man story can be nailed, and in the process creating a great one-shot issue that could be handed to *anyone* with basic knowledge of who Spider-Man is and have it be enjoyed. 

I so enjoyed and am so impressed by this comic that I’m not even going to question why a Halloween story is being published in June, it’s that good.  It doesn’t matter that the story is seasonally off.  Not at all. Instead what we get is a great stand alone issue of Spider-Man that really can be enjoyed at any time of year.

It’s funny to think about what the “invasion” of Hollywood talent has done to us die hard comic fans.  The Kevin Smiths and the Damon Lindelof’s of the world have done such damage to our expectations of these comics they work on, that we assume either it will be late and never come out, or it will stink because “there’s no way someone who hasn’t made their career from comics can make a good comic book!”  It occurred to me as I was reading this issue and marveling at just how well written it was that Seth Meyers and Bill Hader are damn good writers.  They write an immense amount during the year as they write comedy sketches for freaking Saturday Night Live.  Of course they’re good writers!  Even the worst sketches that we complain about on Monday are better than anything I could ever write.  So I find it really amusing that I would sit back and think “wow, these guys can actually write.”  I can admit it, sometimes I’m an idiot.

The story itself isn’t overly complicated or clever, and yet it’s just complicated and clever enough. Like a good episode of Seinfeld there are several groups of character and small plot lines that tie together at the end very elegantly.  Their dialogue is a spot on as the I breezed from panel to panel, never having an issue with the storytelling whatsoever.  Hader and Meyers crafted a simple “mistaken identity” story as a drunk guy dressed as Spider-Man is mistaken by a villain as the real Spider-Man, while the real Spider-Man, after being knocked out, is mistaken for the drunken friend.  To say hilarity ensues would be a disservice, as in the mere span of 33 pages we’re introduced to people we’ve never met in a comic before and can instantly relate and understand them.  These are modern people from the “real” world, with cultural references that never feel forced or put on, rather that work in the story and help to move provide background as well as to move the story forward.  The story worked so well that I flew through the comic way faster than I intended to and had to go back and read it again just to soak it all in.

The story telling is aided by, of course, the immense talent of Kevin Maguire’s pencils, which are as sharp as ever.  I’ve praised his work from over 20 years ago on Justice League International and I have to say, this is the best work I’ve seen from him in recent days.  His trademark facial expressions are working overtime as you are able to pick up subtleties like tone and feeling from the mere drawing of a close up face in a panel.  His panel layouts are simple and effective, with the occasional break out when needed, but at the end of the day the story telling is what matter and each page flows as briskly as the words inside the balloons (which are expertly lettered by Mr. Chris Eliopoulos as usual).  If anything, after this issue I demand that Maguire get an arc on Amazing Spider-Man and soon, please.

As I sit here flipping through the comic again to find things to talk to you about, I find myself getting drawn into it again, re-reading scenes and I can’t help but to think about how thankful I am that I was able to set aside my preconceieved notions of what this book would be and give it a try.  This very well is likely to be a one time thing, total vanity project. I don’t see Hader & Meyers taking an arc on Amazing Spider-Man anytime soon, but if they did (as long as it wasn’t late) I wouldn’t complain.  But instead we get this one issue, a moment in time, a brief dance with what makes a good comic book.  And at the end of the day, that’s really all I really want each week.  So again, bravo Bill Hader, Seth Meyers, Kevin Maguire and everyone associated with this book for making a great comic book, an accomplishment you should be proud of.

Ron Richards
Literally laughed out loud several times while reading this issue
ron@ifanboy.com

Comments

  1. LLOL callback!  Wow, surprised.  I’m not even an X men fanboy, and the double page spread in Old man Logan made me literally squeal with glee.

  2. Damn damn damn….Should’ve picked this up instead of waiting for a slower week.

  3. Cool.  I’ll probably pick this up tomorrow.  So far I went with Old Man Logan.  It was bomb ass and I loved seeing Logan in the Iron Man armor.  As soon as I saw that I knew Millar had a huge smile on his face when he was writing it.

  4. This was the 1st thing I read in my stack, with low expectations, and out of a pretty good week this became my pick.

  5. I’m gonna have to give this a shot. I’ve been feeling particularly jaded on comics lately so i didn’t buy this but having a week as fantastic as this I now have enough hope to go out and buy this issue.

    Still got three well anticipated books left and it’s already been a fantastic week. Old Man Logan, Gaurdians of The Galaxy, Nova, and New Avengers all got 5 Star ratings from me. I don’t think i’ve ever had that many books so highly rated before, and I still have to read Green Lantern, Tankies, and Kelly/Jiminez Spiderman. It’s weeks like this that make me love comics

  6. My store was actually out yesterday, though my LCS owner found a copy for me (I smelled a bit of brimstone and heard a "poof" before he handed it to me).  This was genuinely funny, and it shows that Meyers and Hader understand comic timing and can transfer that to a textual/visual medium very well.  Yes, it’s a stock plot, but many stories use stock plots; it’s what you do with it that’s important.  It also wasn’t forced in any way, shape or form- the set up was entirely organic and it worked perfectly.  Good call, Mr. Richards, good call.

     

  7. Paul Montgomery Paul Montgomery (@fuzzytypewriter) says:

    So glad this was the pick. This book was a lot of fun.  

  8. This was really fun (and thank you, Marvel for making it a one-shot and not a drawn out 5-issue mini), but man, AMAZING was insane this week. What a week for Spider-Man fans. 

  9. So, I may be wrong, but this seems to be more of a dictatorship than a democracy.  I’m seeing that a majority of people voted for Wolv #72, yet a S-M one shot got the vote? What the hell?

  10. I am going back to the store today.  I  ignored this book yesterday, and now im pissed. 

     

    Go pens

  11. Paul Montgomery Paul Montgomery (@fuzzytypewriter) says:

    @vadamowens – User votes are separate from the POW selection. Whoever has the pick in a given week (Ron, Josh, or Conor) reads their books and chooses their favorite. By naming your own POW, you’re not voting on what the official iFanboy pick ought to be. It’s all personal preference, with statistics for curiosity’s sake.  

  12. @paulmont  I see.  Thank you for clearing that up.

  13. Really dug this, and the regular Spidey book too, for completely different reasons.

    Good week to be a Spider-man fan.

  14. This was a really fun and great issue.  I had a fun time reading it.  Definitely a great pick this week.  I’m not sure if it’s my pick yet, simply because I still need to read through about 10 books.

  15. What are you smoking Richards? Wolverine was a million times better then this throw away, doesn’t matter one little bit, but has nice art, story. Wow biggest f@$& up for pick of the week ever!

  16. @MrGlass – So that’s really the only kind of comment you can make it seems.  Thanks for respecting opinions.

  17. Paul Montgomery Paul Montgomery (@fuzzytypewriter) says:

    While I liked Wolverine, I think I read it in about 30 seconds. Short Halloween earned the 3.99.  

  18. @Paul-According to Robert Kirkman and his wicked beard, you’re insulting the artist 😉

    I wouldn’t say Old Man Logan was a million times better.  Think about it, thats 5,000,000 stars.  Sheer lunacy.

  19. I have to disagree with Ron’s pick. I also to think that Wolverine was a much better comic this week, and this is from someone who will probably drop the book after the Old Man Logan one shot. Even with a week where there is a new Nova and Guardians of the Galaxy the Wolvie had the best story. By the end of the book I was totally getting psyched. Wolvie’s turn was really well done and it ended on a note where you want the one shot right now which made it easy to make it my pick for the week.

  20. There’s a better way to state your opinion, for example.

  21. You know, I have a funny thing about Spider-man. Paul mentioned on Twitter that this book was good, and I respect Paul’s opinions (unless they are Starman-related), so I took a good look at this one at the store. But, I didn’t buy it. Why not? Seems like it’s well-crafted. The art was good. Some of the dialogue seemed smart and fun.

    I think it’s because Spider-man is such an iconic character that it’s really hard for me jump onto something just because of the craft. Because I’ve read many well-crafted Spider-man stories. The same goes for Superman and Batman. And maybe even Wolverine, at this point. I find myself jumping on and off those characters’ books with great regularity because I think they are the biggest, mythic super-hero icons of all, which draws me to them, but it’s harder and harder to get excited abouta new variation on a typical plot — no matter how well crafted it is.

    Note: this is not a condemnation of the issue at all. Hell, I may even go back and pick it up. Just noticing a trend in my buying habits and wondering if anyone else has reached that saturation point with certain icons.

  22. Y’know, just want to add this somewhere: Not sure if it’s my actual pick yet, but Madame Xanadu was a GREAT jumping on point with awesome Kaluta art. While the first 10 issues told the tale of Xanadu from Arthurian times to the 1940’s, this issue starts with her established status quo in the forties, and looks as though it’s the start of a supernatural mystery tale. It’s reminiscent of Wagner’s Sandman Mystery Theatre, by way of Hellblazer.

  23. I like this review; the issue sounds fun.  I was in the NYCC panel where Myers & Hader were introduced, and they were obviously really psyched about doing this.  Glad to hear it paid off for Spidey fans.

    My pick was ‘Iron Fist.’  I think this arc has suffered a bit from being spread out, but Swierczy & his artists really stuck the landing with this issue.  It’s going to make a great trade, and I hope anybody who jumped off the book when Brubaker/Fraction/Aja left will give it a shot.

  24. As long as this has nothing to do with shitty, BND (I dont give a crap for) storylines. Then I am all for this comic book. Hopefully this gives Hader and Meyers an oppertunity to do more comic books in the future. Plus it has Kevin ‘I drew the best Justice Leage series ever’ Maguire on art. How couldnt this been POTW worthy?

    My pick however, since I didnt buy this yet, was Incredible Herc. Mentioned it before but it had a fantastic idea going for it and the jokes revolving around the concept made it the best comic for me. Wish this could get one single artist to stay on for more then an issue though

  25. Paul Montgomery Paul Montgomery (@fuzzytypewriter) says:

    Nothing to do with BND. Great self contained story, so anyone can pick it up and enjoy it.  

  26. Although my POW was ASM, this was also a good, fun read.  Lots of good comics this week to choose from, from the aforementioned to Iron Fist and Incerdible Herc.  GL was a little flat, but I fully expect it to get better. 

  27. I think Mr. Glass was channelling a little Victor von Doom there. 🙂

  28. A large number of comic book readers seem to judge whether or not a book is "good" based solely on whether it has gut-punch or holy-crap moments in it. It’s like wanting every movie to be an M. Night Shyamalan movie. Sometimes, a good book is just a story well told.

    I think the humor predisposes people against a book like this, too. Comedies and comedians have been getting robbed at the Oscars since time immemorial for similar reasons.

    As for me: this was my pick, but if you wanna talk about snap decisions and prejudging, I approached this book as Ron’s opposite. Given its pedigree, the odds that I wouldn’t like it were very, very low. As for Old Man Logan: I’m afraid it has contracted Brubaker’s Syndrome. It was good, exactly as good as the previous six issues in exactly the same ways, which perversely made it seem unremarkable. Whaddya gonna do? Other than kvetch on somebody’s web site, I mean.

     

  29. @Jimski – I completely agree with you with regard to a good book being a story well-told. Just to clarify my above comment — I do NOT have that issue with most characters and comic books (hell, I said my pick was likely Madame Xanadu). It’s only Superman, Batman and Spider-man, with whom I have noticed this trend.  I’m generally NOT a fan of trying to make stories "matter" by changing the status quo or having "holy-crap" moments. However, with those three characters, I’ve noticed that it sometimes TAKES that to make me want to check out Spider-man, Batman, and Superman. This is NOT a good quality, and I am not championing it. I just feel like it’s harder for me to get excited, having read sooo many variations of similar tales. It may simply be that there comes a time when you’ve seen so many iterations of Batman or Spider-man that you just don’t feel the same need to buy another story with that character.

  30. @Diabhol – Now, I definitely would pay money to see Victor Von Doom say to Mr. Fantastic, "What are you smoking, Richards?" 😉

  31. Paul Montgomery Paul Montgomery (@fuzzytypewriter) says:

    What I liked about it was that it wasn’t even really about Spider-Man, as such. It’s about original characters who live in a world where Spider-Man is a reality. 

  32. @daccampo: Totally worth $3.99, right? 🙂

     

  33. @Paul – I get that, I do. And I"m sure it’s really good. It may have been simply a matter of ‘death by association.’ After all, I have read stories about original characters who live in a world where, say, Batman is a reality. So I do get that.

    Honestly? I’m using a comment thread to try to express a moment I had in a comic shop with me, a comic, and my $4. And in that moment I realized that sometimes just having something well-crafted doesn’t mean that I want to spend my money on it. There are lots of well-crafted stories out there, after all, and my $$$ are limited. 

    Maybe a PoW comment thread isn’t the place to express this somewhat nebulous thought process. 😀

  34. @PaulMontgomery, this book would have been right at home as an issue of "Spider-Man’s Tangled Web," a long-canceled book that was coming out when I got pulled back in to this thing of ours. It was exactly what you describe, a book about living in Spider-Man’s world rather than a book about Spider-Man. An industrious man could probably find a trade or two out there.

  35. @diabhol – they should sell THAT comic for $4.20. Just sayin’.

  36. Paul Montgomery Paul Montgomery (@fuzzytypewriter) says:

    @Dave – No, you’re within your rights here. I probably feel the same way about Batman, but I’m not really a Spider-Man guy these days. So this was a nice treat. You’re also like exceptionally old, so there’s a chance that I’ll get bored of these characters too. Eventually.  

  37. I soooo set myself up for the age jokes, don’t I? #getoffmylawnwhippersnapper

  38. crap – did I publish the Spider-Man: Short Halloween review?  I *MEANT* to make Wolverine the pick of the week – damn these confounded computers.

    Just kidding.

    Wolverine was indeed VERY good – REALLY good – but for my money this week, Spider-Man: Short Halloween blew me away – but that’s just me – everyone is entitled to their own opinion, or so they told me in elementary school but I could have gotten that part wrong…

  39. @ron: Hey mistakes are made, guess this will have to stay as pick 🙂

    Also, your teacher is full of snot!

  40. Paul Montgomery Paul Montgomery (@fuzzytypewriter) says:

    Bill Hader could probably do a better Mark Millar impression than Mark Millar anyway.  

  41. I wonder if Vincent Price is in this comic…..seeing as it is a Halloween setting.

    (Hader does the best Price btw)

  42. I remember when they came out at the NYCC panel while being introduced by Joe Quesada, I kinda rolled my eyes at the fact that they would be writing something. It seems kind of silly, in retrospect, because I think they’re the part of the guys who make the digital shorts on SNL, and they’re easily the best thing about the show now. I gotta go pick this up, almost everything else this week was pretty mediocre.

  43. @comicBOOKchris: Actually, the digital shorts are *usually* done by Akiva Schaffer, Jorma Taccone and Andy Samberg.

  44. Jeff Reid Jeff Reid (@JeffRReid) says:

    @comicBOOKchris and conor: They actually have an album out as The Lonely Island which features a bunch of digitial shorts songs.

  45. @conor: This is the second time in the day you’ve corrected me, I feel like I should sit it the corner with a dunce cap.

    @JeffR: Last week, I saw a film, as I recall it was a horror film. Walked outside into the rain, checked my phone and saw you rang and I JIZZED IN MY PANTS! 

  46. I’m gonna have to go pick this up now.

    I often wonder how books like this get traded (because I’m reading Spidey in trades since BND). 

  47. i didn’t laugh at all.  i was very disappointed by this one

  48. Why do people still say ASM is in "Brand New Day". They ended that (with branding and all) like a year ago (with Kraven’s First Hunt and New Ways to Die following). Always annoys me because I disliked BND but now the creative teams much different and people still call it BND.

  49. Agreed.  The book is just Amazing Spider-Man now.  This is the status quo.  Let’s move on.

    I want to talk about Spider-Man without Brand New Day caveats the same way I want to talk about  Umbrella Academy without My Chemical Romance caveats.

  50. When the bulk of a "status quo" shift is hung on the details of an eradicated history (spider-marriage, Harry Osborn…), and those details are still quite prominent, surely it’s ridiculous to expect those displeased partys NOT to reference it as still being in ‘BND mode.’

    This is an opinion. If I can ask that noone hug, touch, or fondle me for having it, that would be much appreciated.

  51. ok. ok. maybe i was a little hard on richards, but he’s got thick skin he can take it.  And i agree with your Umbrella Academy i wish people would stop saying this is good for a rock singer. They should Umbrella Academy kicks ass!  

  52. I didn’t get this and I apparently missed out.  It was a big week for me and I thought maybe next week.  Now it’s POTW and my LCS was sold out.  My thoughts on two SNL writers doing Spider-Man were not, shall we say, kind.  I assumed it was little more than a publicity stunt.  That’s what I get for thinking.

  53. <Sarcasm On>

    I have one Ron like kvetch about this book although its a pretty good book. Look at the title, Amazing Spider Man: The Short Halloween, what month is it? Its May and I’m down here in Houston, TX and its HOT!!!! I’m sitting here in my shorts sweating and rereading my books and I’m reading a book in the fall? I don’t want to read a book about the fall while I’m sweating my balls off.

    I’m going to get a beer and reading Battlefields again.

    <Sarcasm Off>

  54. nice pick… It’s def close to my pick of the week – spider-man 595.

    damn, what a great week for comic books…

  55. Neither of my local shops had any of these!  What gives?

  56. Really enjoyed this book.  Great pick.

  57. you know what? i went back to my store today to get spider-man: the short halloween before posting on this thread because i was so shocked by the pick of the week. After reading the issue, i have to repectfully disagree with this pick.

    It is just wrong. Obviously, plainly, clearly wrong

    I don’t mean to undermind Ron’s opinion but i really cannot believe this issue was better Wolverine 72. I mean, Wolverine is clearly a superior comic. I’m saying this as a fan with only a passing interest in Marvel comics, Wolverine and Mark Millar

    there is the criticism that the issue read fast but  that has become ubiquitous played-out, trite arguement.  Just last week in the audio podcast, Josh quoted Robert Kirkman’s letter page from Invincible 62 in defence of this criticism. Kirkman and by extention Josh commented on how the reader can not possibly absorb the art and the issue properly when taking only 5 minutes. If that is true, how than does that not apply to Wolverine 72?

    Adding further gravity to that arguement is Steve McNiven artwork. Which is not only extremely techniqually good but contains several other virtues of a fantastic and proficient comic book artist. Including but not limited to: a powerful and STORY-SPECIFIC cover design, facial and body language acting, clearly definely action coreography and layout, and an experimental and truely emotionally resonant use of typography.

    The superficaility of Mark Millar’s story has also been cited as a criticism of the Old Man Logan arc. This is also a supercilious arguement against the book’s quality. In all seriousness, this arc has the same depth, character development (Logan doesn’t talk?  that’s the character!), ironography and ultimate literary value of stories like Kingdom Come and The Dark Knight Returns. In 20 years time this story will be discussed and read by kids not even born yet.

     

    Sorry, Ron and iFanboys, i don’t mean to offend or diminish your right to opinion and your right to autonomy but this was just WRONG. Sometimes 78% of the great unwashed masses are right.  (agian, sorry)

  58. @edward (and anyone else): Does Ron not picking Wolverine really diminish your enjoyment of it at all?

  59. I think, once again, people are mistaking what the Pick of the Week actually is. It’s the book the reviewer enjoyed the most that week.

  60. @fugmo: nope, and that comment  really doesn’t offers any counter agruement and is dismissive of what i actually said

    @ josh: yeah, i’m familiar with the site but like i said i think he’s wrong, clearly (sorry ron). that issue is a 5/5.

  61. He gave Wolverine a 5/5.

  62. he gave 4 books 5/5 in one week which perhaps makes me think that is not a rarity or reliable gage of quality

  63. Paul Montgomery Paul Montgomery (@fuzzytypewriter) says:

    Wolverine was exciting, but it was kind of easy. Cheap thrills. "What’s a cool Marvel thing we could do here? Now since he’s got the armor, we can use that to get him back to point A really quick." There are good ideas in there and the art is great, but it felt like a Crank movie to me. 

  64. Paul Montgomery Paul Montgomery (@fuzzytypewriter) says:

    Not to say I don’t like the overall Old Man Logan story. But this issue’s not the best fraction of it. 

  65. daccampo – I’m embarrassed to admit I can’t find a clever way to wedge "The Chronic-what?-cles of Narnia" into this thread. 🙂

    MrGlass – Congrats. Now and forever I’m going to read all your comments in the Dr. Doom voice of the 1980’s Spider-Man & His Amazing Friends cartoon. I take my amusement anywhere I can get it. 🙂

    Despite all the praise for both the POW and Old Man Logan…there’s just nothing about either story that compels me to read ’em. 

  66. @Paul, i actually agree, the armour was a cheap trick, we’ve seen easter egg/trophy rooms before and there was a typically crazy nazi villian.

    This is what is more important about the issue. The final catharsis of the word SNIKT! Millar has such a fundenmental understand of the character of Wolverine and his relationship with the reader. Of course, we read Wolverine for that wonderful release when he explodes in a paroxysm. Think about beautiful simplity of the device used; bold red text on black. I really think it was an actual piece of highly reasoned, carefully exicuted and 7-issue developed pop art. it became Greater than it’s parts, greater than the story, greater than the art and greater than the hype of the book.

    i see no difference in validity between that moment, the moment when Bruce’s heart gives out in The Dark Knight Returns, Captain Marvel confronts Superman in Kingdom Come , Barry’s death in Crisis on Infinate Earths.

  67. In your opinion.

  68. Paul Montgomery Paul Montgomery (@fuzzytypewriter) says:

    It’s a cool element, but I don’t know if it was earned, honestly.  

  69. If you don’t think Ron’s a reliable guage of quality, why would you care what his review says anyway?  Just wait and listen to the podcast.  We talk about all this.

  70. @Diabhol 

    Mr.Glass does not care what your little mind thinks! I must know what Richards is smoking? Mr. Glass wants to know  if anyone else realizes that Bayou is an amazing comic! So speaks Mr. Glass!   

  71. I don’t understand how someone can tell someone else that his enjoyment of a book is wrong?

  72. Bayou is good.  Or what I’ve read of it.  I was excited when I saw that it’s being published in book form.

  73. Mr. Glass too was pleased to see it in printed form.

  74. @Jediaxle-exactly!  It really isn’t that hard to understand that Ron enjoyed this book more than he enjoyed Wolverine, is it?

  75. @Jediaxle: That is not what i say. I said that Wolverine 72 is a better comic than Spiderman Short Halloween.

    while i understand art is subjective there are some times when one piece is objectively superior to another. Think of Radiohead vs Britney Spears. A teeny bopper would enjoy Britney Spears more but Radiohead remains a superior, A Stanley Kubrick film vs Spider-man 3, Harry Potter vs Madame Bovary. Objectively, qualitatively and intellectually one piece is better than the other

  76. @edward: It’s only better in your opinion. And my opinion, and 80% of the iFanbase.

    But not in Ron’s, or in the other 20% of the iFanbase.

     

  77. @Conor: i’m looking forward to this week’s podcast. it should be interesting

  78. Really? I read this after reading my other books, only because it was POW. While a good spiderman story I can’t immagine this getting pick on a bad week much less a week that had some goodness in it! 

    That said, way to man up and pick what you want (despite knowing the rest of the world would think you were wrong)! 

  79. Wow, that was an interesting read,  such different views over one book. Maybe Ron, Josh, and Conor could open up the pick of the week to random members of ifanboy and people will see how hard it is to make a pick during a big week – and understand the crap you feel when you are hasslled for what you think is a great book. These are my two pennies, which I threw in cause it is all the money I have.

     

  80. I really liked this. I never make a pick of the week because…well dammit I dont have 2 but this wolverine and Ignition City 3 were the comics that I enjoyed the most this week.

  81. You mean me and ron were in the minority this week? Huzzah!

  82. "If you don’t think Ron’s a reliable guage of quality, why would you care what his review says anyway?"
    Isn’t that absurdly antithetical to the whole notion of a public discussion site/faux-authority on the subject?

  83. @TNC: Sort of, but not really.  You hated WOLVERINE. Ron loved it and gave it a 5/5. He just didn’t love it as much as SPIDER-MAN: THE SHORT HALLOWEEN.

  84. I’d give this a solid four, I felt the issue took a while to get all the cylinders firing, but once it did, it was an enjoyable read.  I thought for sure Spiderman would get in some classic one liners with the comedy writing team, but none jumped out at me.

     

    The Last Days of Animal Man was my pick, but as that is currently at 0.04% , I’m thinking I’m in the minority.

  85. @conor: Shhhh!!! Let me bask in the moment for at least more then 23 minutes 🙂

  86. Really glad I went out and picked this up, great script and everything I expect from a Spider-Man comic. I was suprised there were still so many on the shelf!

     

    And for all the Wolverine lovers, dont worry…if I were a betting man, I’d say that Giant Size Old Man Logan will be the POTW…that is, whenever it comes out…

  87. Honestly, I think it’s kind of silly to debate whether "Old Man Logan" or "The Short Halloween" is better, when the creative teams are obviously trying to accomplish completely different things. It’s like arguing whether "The Office" or "The Wire" is a better TV show. Having said that, I definitely agree that "The Short Halloween" was good clean fun, solidly structured and written with creativity to burn. I was glad to see it make Pick of the Week.

    As for "Old Man Logan," I thought it was pretty typical Mark Millar: lots of big moments, and all the subtlety of a sledghammer to the brain. I’ve gotta admit, though, I did enjoy the trophy room on a pure fanboy level. Edward mentioned that trophy rooms are an element that’s been used many times before, but hey: I’ve been reading comics for less than three years (I started when I was 27), so practically anything is new to me!

  88. You’re ALL wrong. Every last one of you.

    Yes, even you.

  89. @pdallor: How is the sit-com style mistaken identity plot of Short Halloween anymore valid and less like "a sledgehammer to the brain" than the Old Man Logan story?

     It is so patronizing and diminutive to describe Millar’s as lacking subtlety and a series of big moments. he’s work is just as legitimate as Frank Millar, Bendis, Brubaker etc.

    Also, if you read my earlier posts, i commented on how the subjective quality of art doesn’t mean that objectively one peice of art can be considered greater than another. Ultimately, art can be catorgorized into a hieracrhy of worth.

    In reality, one is better than the other. Guess which one it is

  90. @edward: For you, it’s the one you like best. For someone else, it’s the one they like best.

    Sure, you can apply objective standards to art but it is still all filtered through a lense of subjectivity.  Because it’s art not science.

    Also, and I really can’t believe this bears repeating because we’ve said it 186 times:

    "Every week one of us reads all of their books and picks the one THEY LIKED THE BEST and that is the Pick of the Week."

    It’s a subjective choice.  Always has been, always will be. 

  91. "Every week one of us reads all of their books and picks the one THEY LIKED THE BEST and that is the Pick of the Week."

    Indeed! Sometimes you guys preface the show with "they pick the best one" instead of "they pick the one they liked the best". Maybe that is the source of the confusion? I dunno…

    P.S: I have described art in algebraic form, but that’s for another day 😉 Have fun!

  92. @ Conor: when did i say which issue Ron preferred?

    My arguement is one comic was blatantly better than the other.

  93. "In reality, one is better than the other. Guess which one it is"

    @ Edward: I’ve given this a lot of thought, and here’s my considered, objective, intellectually rigorous answer:

    I disagree. 🙂

    Cheers!

  94. yeah, the idea that you can objectively declare a work of art better than another is pretty much untrue. evaluation of art is all contextual. – no absolutes.

    it’s easy to forget that there are no universal values when it comes to art, and declaring that there are is simply a way of devaluing another person’s opinions and ideas.

  95. @ Edward, I do agree with you on one thing: It was fairly diminutive for me to paint all of Millar’s work with one broad brush. What I should have said is that when he’s at his worst (cough cough Wanted cough Kick Ass cough cough) he’s all big moments and a lack of sublety. I’d actually felt like he was tempering that tendency in the previous Old Man Logan issues. And he’s absolutely rocking Fantastic Four right now.

  96. @pdallor: I’ve never even seen this show, but The Wire is the most obvious answer 🙂

  97. drink!  Now someone say "The Shield." 

  98. Wrong Show…

  99. Man I lost so much sleep this week over which book Ron was going to pick.

  100. @ludus: Just one week? How bout me; I havent slept in over a year since I joined this site!

    I got bags under my bags under more bags under my eyelids.

  101. This phenomenon of arguing with the pick never ceases to surprise me.  The best I can come up with is that people are so used to assuming that the only reason to rank things (and the POW is a kind of ranking) is to start an argument.  I have never seen that as the purpose of the pick — it’s more, ‘Let me talk about a cool thing I liked, along with a bunch of other things’.  To me, that leads to a better conversation than exhaustively going over why X is better than Y. 

  102. @ohcaroline: Y is clearly superior a superior letter.

  103. @JumpingJupiter  Misogynist.

  104. And ha ha, I just realized that whole comment shows up on the homepage without context.

     Now it doesn’t.

  105. @Ohcarline: Why does discussion on a discussion board surprise you?

  106. @edward OPINION!!!!

  107. @MikeHaseloff: good point. very clever

  108. You really think people are against dissenting opinion?  Because it happens all the time here, welcome and without incident.

  109. Maybe you’re doing it wrong?

  110. How about making your own comic podcast, and then make Wolverine #72 the POTW instead of Spider-Man: Short Halloween! That’ll show the iFanboy guys the error in their ways in asserting their own opinion…

  111. Can we use the Ghostbusters car siren as the intro?

  112. YES!!! Finally a Spider-Man book got pick of the week.  I’ve been sticking with this book for a LONG time hoping it would give me something really good.  It paid off.

  113. @TripFontaine: This certainly isn’t the first time a Spider-Man book has been the Pick of the Week. But I’m glad you liked it. It was indeed excellent.

  114. It would be funny if next week’s POTW was Wolverine #72. That would come out of no where

  115. Man, I wish I had more time to come post on these threads! Such awesome, intense discussion/debate!

  116. WOW!  The pick is soooo wrong this week.

    Wolverine, by FFFFAAARRRR is the best this week.

    Spider-Man is my favorite character, and Short Halloween was a strong 4 stars.  But Wolverine was a 10, easily.

    Yeah I get it, it’s his opinion, but just no!

  117. i like KickAss

  118. I just picked up the Reign of Fire dvd on the way home from work.  something must be wrong with me

  119. who did the art for this spidey cover its incredible

  120. Kevin Maguire.

  121. Man i hate how i’m always late for the good stuff. Oh well guess i’ll search for this in the half priced books and etc. used comic book bins. Surprisingly you can find good stuff in those bins.

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