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FLASH #242
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When does the new creative team take over because I want to read The Flash but I heard it’s BAD.
I want to read The Flash so bad, but it’s so… BAD!
It’s really not that bad; I don’t understand where a lot of the comments here are coming from. I haven’t read much Flash from before this team, because I just started reading comics in March, but I’ve seriously enjoyed the last four issues.
@flaggthecat – You not having read any other FLASH might explain why you don’t understand why everyone else says it’s bad. But if you’re enjoying it – great. 🙂
@conor: well sure it makes sense why I don’t know where long-term Flash readers are coming from. I’m planning on getting some of the last several years of Flash soon, particularly the run by Johns. But I don’t see how it could change my perception that this is a perfectly good comic right now. Do people hate it because it’s not what they wanted, or because they think it’s bad?
It’s the kids. Only Batman is allowed teenage sidekicks and he even gets flack for it. I may sound mean but they need to go the way of the Martian Manhunter.
@Kory- Barry had Wally as Kid Flash for years and Bart was a sort of sidekick when he was Kid Flash. Kids and Flashes have gone together for a long time but for some reason Wally’s own kids being put in danger does not fly like nephews or orphans being put in danger does. I think it’s the son’s powers, they’re gross.
@Kory and Kimbo: That’s in line with what I’ve heard before. What I wonder is what that could have to do with the creative team. I like Tom Peyer’s writing, and he had nothing to do with introducing the children (as far as I know). He’s only been on the series since the beginning of this year, and the issues he’s written (just the last, what, five?) were very fun. The art, meanwhile, is maybe too cartooney but does good storytelling. Whatver problems the comic has, then, aren’t with the creative team.
It’s not teen sidekicks, those are a comic book staple, it’s the obsessive family dynamic they have now, Every solicitation is about the kids.
For me, it’s also about the writing and Wally’s characterization. I was reading Flash since FLASH #49 and I just coudn’t take it any more. That wasn’t the Wally I wanted to read about.
Honestly, I think that Peyer has been getting with every issue (though I haven’t read this one yet) with the last one being especially solid and I really wish that they’d give him a chance to see what he could really do – preferably with an artist that is a better fit for this book – rather than try and change the status quo. Again.
On the other hand, I’m all for deaging the kids (NOT killing them though) because while I like them enough and REALLY like the idea of Wally as a dad being the next big stage in his character development, they do take away too much of the focus from Wally.
@coner & llash– I agree with you Coner, his characterization seems so much different that when I was reading Johns issues. And deaging the kids would be interesting, I don’t think we’ve really had a chance to get used to the idea of him being a dad before they got throw at us as important. It seems like Flash as a title has been a mess since Infinite Crisis, like they keep throwing everything against the wall to find what sticks when the wheel wasn’t broken to begin with.
@conor: Huh. Yeah, I definitely wouldn’t know if Wally was being written OOC.
@llash: I also thought Peyer’s writing was really good. It actually made me interested in the guy, and his interviews show him to be unique for a comic book writer. In addition to comic books, he also writes occasional political humor pieces in Slate, and he co-edited a book of "found poetry" from Phil Razutto broadcasts of Yankees games. As for his writing of Flash, I thought his dalogue read very well, the characters seemed to have minds, and the story idea was both a great satire of cable news and something really fun for a superhero to fight. That said, I didn’t care for this last issue much.
I hate myself for buying this book still. I keep waiting for something to happen that has something to do with continuity, I mean, there’s a Crisis going on, I’m just waiting for a speedster to die! Apparently it’s not going to happen in this title.
I am so ready for the new creative team…and curious as to where this is all going to go. But I hate these kids, I hate the story, and I hate the art. Peyer made it a little better, but not significantly.
It bothers me to see how much money I’ve wasted on this title, and how many other titles have bit the dust while this piece of crap was allowed to continue. Shadowpact, Catwoman and others had better art, better stories, and were cancelled.
I was happier with Bart "running" the show.
Why the hell hasnt this book been cancelled yet!?
So smaller and better books like Exterminators or All New Atom can just get cancelled like (snaps fingers) that? But this title which, to me, has sucked for years….still is getting published with no generally good reviews at all? Man, there must be more Flash groupies then I thought.
(Stares at Ron)
I just saw that Alan Burnett will start writing on issue #244. That’s when I’ll start reading this book.
In my earlier post I did’nt mean no hero should not have a teen sidekick, I was trying to say that I always hear most people hating on about this book because of the twins and they should die or not be a focus of the book.
When it comes to why certain comics are published, you have to keep in mind the licensing and such of the properties. Take Wonder Woman for instance. The book never is a good seller and rarely makes money for DC comics. but the agreement they have with the William Moulton Marston estate says that they will keep the rights to WW as long as they are publishing a monthly comic of her. So they take the hit on the comic sales because the merchandising numbers for Wonder Woman on a global scale are HUGE. So it’s not ALWAYS about the amount of issues a comic sells. not saying that is the case HERE with Flash, just throwing it out there.
Also, I agree that Flash hasn’t been good compared to what it used to be, but I don’t think it’s been THAT bad. I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody, and I don’t think it’s one of the better books out there, but I don’t have the rabid hatred for it others seem to. I save that for books like X-Force 🙂