The iFanboy Letter Column – 05.13.2011

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Long time listener, first time caller. I’ll keep this short: Why has Marvel been so kill-happy? Think about it, in the first 4 months, we “lost” Nightcrawler, the Human Torch, and Spider-Man. Is it really just a matter of boosting sales, or is it something more nefarious?

Alex B. (KidKaboom)

While it certainly seems like its a stunt to drive more sales or sometimes even as nefarious as a creator having a vendetta against a certain character, after speaking to several creators who have killed off characters, I’m pretty sure that in this day and age, a character death is done for one reason alone: to help the story.

Now, does it help sales? Absolutely. As evidenced with Fantastic Four recently when they killed off The Human Torch, it became a media event and sales on the book rose dramatically, helping to launch the new #1 issue of FF. But Jonathan Hickman is a smart guy, and he’s telling a story that he’s planned out from the beginning. I would be extremely surprised if he hadn’t planned Johnny Storm’s death from day one, as opposed to Marvel execs coming to him and suggesting a death to help boost. sales. As for Nightcrawler’s death, I was just as upset as any X-Men fan was when he died, but after talking to folks who worked on that story, his death (and the moment in the “Second Coming” storyline that it took place in) was crucial to the story to show that there was a cost to what the X-Men were doing. That the stakes were high and very much real. And the thing about character deaths is that they’re an event that the other characters have to deal with and react to. A character death can be a launch pad for numerous stories as each of the characters deal with the loss and the ramifications.

I don’t blame you at all for being suspicious though of the character death. It’s not like comics hasn’t been guilty of hyping a death in comics over the past 20 years, ranging from Superman in the early 1990s to Captain America a few years ago. And like all comics fans know, no death is permanent. And the sales boost is evident, but the thing is, it has to serve the story. We’ve seen character deaths come out of nowhere, purely to make an event out of it and have it fall flat on it’s face. The story is what has to keep it in check. Marvel Comics isn’t the only one who uses this story tactic either. DC Comics will drop a death when it serves a story as seen with the Blue Beetle, Martian Manhunter and many other characters.

So while it seems like they’re kill happy, I really don’t think they are. The creators and editors behind the comics take the characters very seriously and wouldn’t just go about killing them just for the shock value. Well, most of the time at least.

Ron Richards


In 25 years when the iFanboy: the next generation is podcasting, who do you think will be remembered as the most important writer from this time, Brian Michael Bendis or Geoff Johns?

Chris from New Orleans, Louisiana

It’s a twist on the classic “who will win?!” comic book trope! I think your premise is slightly flawed in a couple of ways. For one thing, in 25 years, who knows if people will look back on the superhero centric story as the most important thing in comics? Chances are, the folks doing mainstream comics will be the ones remembered, but part of me thinks it can’t continue like this forever. But then again, I wouldn’t be surprised if it does. Additionally, your binary question also assumes that there’s no one else in consideration. I think that if you left anyone out, it would be Grant Morrison, who, while not the same kind of writer as Bendis or Johns, is right up there in the upper tier of modern comic book writers. Others could make similar claims for Robert Kirkman, or even Mark Millar. It’s really hard to say. I would say that Alan Moore was the most important comic book writer of the ’80s, but even though we could go back and look at Miracleman and Swamp Thing, I don’t know if that was more of a small cult hit at the time. Maybe in 25 years, people will look back at this as Jonathan Hickman’s golden age, or the start of Nick Spencer’s amazing career.

However, if we’re operating on the idea that your question is the way it will be perceived, one way or the other, let’s look at it. The immediate thing I think of is that the next year is going to be very, very telling for both creators. In terms of comics, so far, Bendis has had a longer track record, and put out more material. If you were to ask me based only on what has happened so far, up to today, I’d give the nod to Bendis, solely for the variety in his work. He’s done several genres, both company and creator owned, and he’s had successes in all those areas. There were some failures, but overall, the range of his comic book writing (and drawing) career is much more varied than Geoff Johns. I think Brian Bendis has a much more clear voice as well. His books feel like they’re his books. It really depends on what you consider good writing if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. It’s subjective.

When it comes to Geoff Johns, he’s really only experienced success in mainstream superhero comics, a field in which is he is unsurpassed. He understands, perhaps better than anyone, exactly what things need to be done in a superhero comic to make readers happy. It may not even seem so at first, but he always gets there. He can break down the essence of what’s important about these characters better than anyone. We haven’t seen him do creator owned work, and haven’t seem him do much outside his comfort zone. He’s had a couple of big, big hits, and was rewarded for it, getting an executive position at DC comics, as Chief Creative Officer.

The next year will really matter in the overall tale of the tape for these two guys. Johns has a lot riding on Flashpoint and the Green Lantern movie. The success or failure of those projects will greatly determine what happens after. As far as Bendis, his future outside of comics might depend on what happens with the Powers TV show, and the adaptation of Jessica Jones. I don’t know what the next step in comics is for him, except a renewed focus on his creator owned properties. He’s accomplished everything at Marvel there is to accomplish, from a traditional standpoint. If Powers achieves The Walking Dead level TV success, then his place is history will be cemented.

It will be an interesting year for both of these guys, to say the least.

Josh Flanagan


Are there any Fantastic Four, X-Men, Avengers, JLA, and Legion of Super-Heroes titles that are just as good in art and writing as say Justice League animated series, for example?

Karl from London, England, UK

This is a really difficult question to answer for a variety of reasons, not the least of which being that comparing superhero comics to superhero cartoons is kind of like comparing apples to oranges. They’re both mostly spherical, they’re both fruit, but at the end of the day, when you bite into each one, you’ve got two completely different taste explosions going on in your mouth. “But Conor,” you say, “they’re both stories about superheroes, often the same superheroes!” To which I would say, you’re right. At their heart they are both the same. But it’s what shapes those stories, and it’s which masters those stories serve, that set them apart.

Cartoons tend to have it a bit easier than the comics. They are not weighed down by decades of continuity. They are not interconnected with 50 other cartoons taking place in the same world. And they don’t have fans ready to pounce on any mistakes, real or perceived, in said continuity or interconnectedness. As a result, superhero cartoons — like Justice League and Justice League Unlimited — have the benefit of freedom and focus. They can just tell the stories they want to tell how they want to tell them (within reason and with network approval). And it has worked out well for the DC cartoons. There hasn’t been a Justice League story published in the last ten years that has made me care about those characters more than the cartoon did.

Does that mean there aren’t good comic book titles? No, of course not. But when you start getting into the “as good as” comparison game it gets tricky because it’s not a straight up comparison.

Right now, Jonathan Hickman and Steve Epting’s FF is better than any other Fantastic Four Future Foundation story that I’ve ever read. When Chris Claremont and John Byrne did Uncanny X-Men it changed the industry and decades later, Grant Morrison turned the X-Men on their heads and told probably the best modern day X-Men stories. We are in a golden age for Avengers stories right now, from Kurt Busiek and George Perez’s back-to-basics run to Brian Michael Bendis’ epic years long stories that have placed the various Avengers as the most important books in all of comics. I would put Grant Morrison’s JLA stories up there with the best comic books of The Modern Age, and the title has still not recovered from his leaving it over ten years ago. The Legion of Super-Heroes… I can’t really speak to as I don’t read those titles.

Justice League is a great cartoon. The comics that I listed above are great comics. Are they as good as the cartoon? In some ways, yes, and in some ways, no. In terms of pure storytelling, the cartoon is usually going to have the edge because it’s less encumbered, but then it can’t match the sprawling, all encompassing nature of the comics. If you’re looking for a comic book, featuring the characters that you listed, that is specifically written like the Justice League cartoon, i.e. on its own with a laser-like focus on the story and the characters, then you’re probably going to be out of luck. But if you’re looking for high quality superhero stories then there’s enough out there to keep you busy for years.

Conor Kilpatrick

Comments

  1. Does something like Joe The Barbarian not count as “creator owned”. It was an original story from Morrison, working with an off-beat artist, producing a unique and personal story outside of the superhero genre.

  2. @origamikid  It’s probably partially creator owned, with DC/Vertigo having an interest, as they’re funding it. I don’t know the percentages though. I suspect you’ll less of that in the future from DC, and certainly when it comes to folks without name recognition.

  3. Great responses all around this week!

    One nitpick: FF means Future Foundation, not Freedom Foundation.

  4. @hakaider  Yes, that was a typo.

  5. I can imagine Robert Kirkman and people like Mike Mignola being remembered as very important to the industry as much for HOW they do things as for the stories they tell.

    This era feels like a time of innovation and character creation.  The creator owned model has flourished (based on my understanding of the situation) and we have a huge number of new and exciting characters. 

  6. My comment is not meant to be a slight of Johns, Bendis, or Morrison.  Kirkman and Mignola were simply the first two creators that popped into my head when I thought of creator owned and new characters.

  7. @conor I figured. We’re all only human, even those of us with highly-evolved podcasting abilities.

  8. Wow, not even a mention of Neil Gaiman?  

  9. @Brody  He’s not a comic book writer. He was, but now, he moonlights at best.

  10. Has Geoff Johns any creator owned non-superhero books? I can’t think of anything.

  11. I meant has he written any creator owned or non-superhero books.

  12. 25 years from now, we will all look back and laugh at how cheap $4 a gallon gas was…

    also this decade just past will most likely be remembered as the era of the comic colorist rather than any specific writer.

    Its the major difference in all of current comics from the mid 80’s to 90’s (the era of realistic/”x-treme” comics). The colorists importance is now, not only finally noticed, but is followed like that of a writer (or penciler)

    now if only someone can figure out something new and exciting do do with digital comics we can begin the next era…

  13. @origamikid  It definitly counts as creator owned, DC couldn’t do another Joe book without Sean or Grant’s permisson. So Creator Owned, most books at Vertigo are creator owned.

  14. Generation Lost is a Justice League series that was just as good, and in parts better than JLUnlimited animated show.

  15. If anybody, Kirkman will be more remembered than those two as of now. The wondercon line for him was absurd.

  16. We get it – you like super hero comics less and less.

    I think you should update the ifanboy graphic and remove the GL ring and maybe add

    a civil war uniform or maybe ride one of those old tymey period bicycles to your characticture. 

  17. @ericmci  I don’t think the enthusiasm for super-hero comics among the iFanboy team has diminished at all. People don’t have a finite amount of enthusiasm and love to give out. Just because they like something in another genre doesn’t mean the necessarily like super-hero comics any less.

  18. @Thechangingman  Olympus and The Possesed are his creator owned works

  19. @ericmci  …What?

    Also I would have to agree that Kirkman basically fulfilled the promise of the original Image founders.  He’s really taken that torch and ran with it.

  20. John and Spoons-

    I just detect a not so subtle growing disdain for the super hero genre from some writers lately- not just ifanboy and certainly Not all of ifanboy- but podcasters- long time readers who “seem” to feel an obligation for their tastes to “grow up”

    And just to me- it seems like some of those people go out of their way to pick the more independent- to sometimes roll their eyes at someone’s x-man jubilation(see what I did there) or to generally promote a certain aesthethic b/c that is what they themselves are trying to produce.

    But hey- It could be just me. 

  21. As long as this decade does not become the chaykin generation im fine with it.
     But in all seriousness, for the first time in years little indie books are getting a chance to grow and reach the masses.  This does not mean that people are loosing their fondness for capes and tightes as much as they are expanding their fictional palatte.  If there is anything this generation will be remembered for it isn’t a who, it’s a what.  The what being the growth of the 3rd party.

  22. @ericmci  Or – Someone’s taste are just the way they are because those are the things they like. I’d argue that all of the iFanboy staffers like creator owned and superhero stuff equally. I don’t understand the current wave of thinking that someone’s taste preferences must always have some ulterior motives to them. Like what you like and get over it.

    Even if there is some reason for it, who cares. It’s not your site. What they talk about and how they express their opinions is up to them. You, like some other posters around here, seem to have it out for one or more of the iFanboys. If you have a problem with them, why do you feel the need to frequent their site?

  23. @ericmci  I can’t comment on how other podcasts present their opinions, as iFanboy is the only comic website I ever visit and the only podcast I ever listen to. My comments were only in regard to how things appear to be to me here on this site/podcast. You may very well be right for the other ones. but other sights seem so negative, I stay away. I love comics, I don’t need to go to a site where people are tearing them about. I would much rather here about what other comic readers love than what they hate. And on this site at least, I don’t get the impression at all that super-hero comics are looked down on in favor of indy comics.

  24. “Grant Morrison turned the X-Men on their heads and told probably the best modern day X-Men stories.” AMEN Conor! Morrison’s run is what got be back into the X-men. I know Ron doesn’t like that run, but it’s good to see one of the iFanboys appreciates it 😀