Heroes – S04E18 – The Wall

Volume Five: Redemption

Two episodes to go before the season ends and I'm still not sure what the point of this season has been. I understand the whole Samuel bit, but there have been so many other extraneous bits of storyline that don't seem to fit together in any kind of satisfying way and too many characters I just don't care about.



As always, I look forward to your thougths, opinons, gripes, live-blogging, etc.


  1. I’m guessing there will be a big build up to a final showdown that will either occur off-camera or will fizzle into nothing but some emo staring and bad wire work.

  2. They have to work within their budgetary constraints.

  3. @Conor: True. I guess I wouldn’t mind if the story was good.

  4. Balls on budget. If you can’t do it all the way don’t do it! Take a queue from HBO and Showtime.

  5. Man, I totally forgot that Peter and Sylar did the Vulcan mind meld.

  6. @zombox: It doesn’t work that way. We expect a lot — too much — because we are used to comic books and big budget movies.

  7. @conor Its true. I am an amazing demanding viewer and quickly get frustrated when shows don’t deliver. That’s why I loved Rome and Deadwood. They were so good, so fully realized and no corners were cut.

  8. It’s impressive that being the only person left alive for three years and Sylar still found time to shave and cut his hair.

  9. @zombox: And they were canceled because they were too expensive. Gotta work within the budget.

  10. Deadwood was cancelled. Rome was completed, and stands as the greatest television series I have ever enjoyed.

  11. @zombox: No, ROME ws canceled.

  12. HBO Chairman Chris Albrecht announced in a July 2006 news conference that season two of Rome would be its last, citing the fact that the series (called "notoriously expensive" by Broadcasting & Cable) had been developed under a two-year contract with the BBC that would have been difficult for the BBC to extend due to the series’ cost.[25][26] Of the storyline, co-creator Heller said:[27]

    I discovered halfway through writing the second season the show was going to end. The second was going to end with the death of Brutus. Third and fourth season would be set in Egypt. Fifth was going to be the rise of the messiah in Palestine. But because we got the heads-up that the second season would be it, I telescoped the third and fourth season into the second one, which accounts for the blazing speed we go through history near the end. There’s certainly more than enough history to go around.
  13. @conor Pretty sure it was only ever intended to run 2 seasons. Basically followed the rise of the Julii. Titus’ and Vorenus’ stories were completed. They were the actual stars.

  14. @zombox: As you can see, those are not the facts.

  15. Ooooh — black and white!

  16. @conor Mm. I see. It may actually be better that it didn’t linger on for 4 or 5 seasons. Maybe 3, but much beyond that would stretch credulity. I still love the mob fight where Titus bites the guy to death.

  17. Family man, family man… life all planned, family man.

  18. This is bizarre. That flashback looked like it was supposed to be the 1960s.

  19. The good news is that HRG hasn’t aged a day in decades. Maybe he really does have powers.

  20. HRG what a softy.

  21. Well so far this doesn’t seem to be helping Samuel’s case at all, unless he is going to spin this as ‘he’s hated everyone with powers since then!’

  22. @Devastron: At this point I’m ready for someone to kick Samuel in the balls so we can move on to the next story.

  23. I think it would be great if they ran into a computer generated Burgess Meredith.

  24. Any episode that has to be carried solely by Peter and Sylar as  the only real interaction… gonna be rough.

  25. That was probably a comic book featuring the Flash kids.

  26. George Lucas has a lot to answer for with all these goddamn virtual sets.

  27. Its like Hadrian’s wall for gifted people.

  28. Is that a doctor’s office or a homeopathic store?

  29. Gullible much?

  30. She is useless.

  31. They’ve really caked on the make-up for these flashback scenes.

  32. This episode is kind of… not at all compelling.

  33. I really wanna see that movie. God, I love zombies.

  34. Is its me or was there some hardcore iFanlag there?

  35. Yay! Eric Roberts!

  36. @zombox: What do you mean?

  37. Eric Roberts, forever evil in everything he plays.

  38. How many times can they go back to the kitty for HRG vs. Claire with paternal issues and Peter vs. Sylar’s ‘fraternal’ issues.? Same cards, dealt the same way. I know how this game ends.

  39. Okay, this is creeeeeeeeeeepy.

  40. @conor Site was choking and slow for a few minutes there. Its all good now.

  41. I am impressed that the producers have enough backbone to do so much wotk in black and white. So many executives live in moral fear of black and white. They think the kids can’t handle it.

  42. Well, they certainly seem to be amping up HRG’s dark side tonight.

  43. @conor I figure when this was shot, the team probably figured the show was on the way out. I wouldn’t be suprised if they kind of let it all hang out.

  44. Poor Peter it’s only Sylar that can break his own wall.

  45. Hey, maybe Peter’s Irish girlfriend is behind the wall…

  46. @conor: That would actually be awesome.  I was always pissed they just dropped that.  Maybe they are in the "future".


  48. @jestr Future’s in Heroes are never fun. Why can’t there be one future filled with hot, naked women longing for the last man on Earth?

  49. @zombox: Brian K. Vaughan showed us that that future is not nearly as much fun as we’d think it would be!

  50. If i had a million dollars I’d give it to someone to make next week’s episode just an hour of Peter and Sylar hammering at the wall with sledgehammers.

  51. @conor I miss Y. I miss it so much. It’s like your first love, you’re afraid you’ll never love that much again.



    Then, of course, one day you do.

  52. @zombox & @conor: Peter and Sylar after hammering away at a brick wall for 50 min break through and find themselves in a world with nothing but naked women. Peter says, "There can be only one."  The last ten minutes is spent in an intense battle.  I’ll take my million dollars Conor.

  53. Please. Sylar would own Multiple Man’s ass.

  54. Sylar is bad… no, he’s good.. no, he’s really bad… no, he’s good! … no, really, he’s bad… nah, he’s good!

  55. @zombox: Peter would just take his power

  56. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

  57. What’s with the burial of immortals in this show?

  58. I think conor just went to kill the producers…

  59. @JesTr: It’s a pretty good way to contain them.

  60. @conor: I bet they wish they had Uma Thurman with them down there.

  61. @conor: Agreed, must change channel… Leno’s chin pulling me in closer… can’t break free from gravitational pull… Noooooo!!!!

  62. Burial just leads to the inevitable comeback. I still think they squanderted their best villain in Peter’s father.

  63. @zombox: They totally did. He was great.

  64. @conor & @zombox: I always like Kensei.

  65. Well, later guys. It was a very meh episode. Hopefully the finale will have some piss and vinegar.

  66. Now off to watch freshly DVRed Big Bang Theory.

  67. Uh….wait….season finale already? It has only been 17 episodes. I didn’t know this was going to be a short season. Anyways, I liked this episode, especially the Peter and Sylar scenes. And, if they do keep Sylar as a good guy, hopefully he’ll still be a litlte psychotic. Crazy Sylar is the best!

     OH…and also…that new movie The Crazies looks pretty good. Out here on the West Coast, every time there was a commercial break, there was a commercial for this movie.

  68. @comixfn: It’s actually been 18 episodes. And NBC is cutting short a lot of their shows (not that anyone notices) because they are dedicating the next month to covering the Winter Olympics.

  69. Not bad.  Not sure how I feel about ‘Hero’ Sylar, but I will give them credit for an interesting way to make the new status quo between him and Peter plausible.

    HRG needs to tell Claire, ‘Hey I am a manipulative bastard and I have a hard time controlling that, so just feel free to call me on that at pretty much any time.’

  70. If I had powers I’d totally take over the world. These people are living in a carnival. OK.

  71. @cromulent: I think that says more about you than it does them.