ULTIMATE COMICS AVENGERS #3
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I’m really tired of Mark Millar’s “hidden” political agenda. If he has any kind of ideology to go along with his conservative views, it’s always missing from his work. At this point in his career, Millar has built up enough of a body of work that patterns are emerging. What I find funny is that, for Millar, being conservative means hating the French and the Clintons, and having some kind of really messed up sexual perversion. The only saving grace of this particular issue is he left out the sexual perversion. The only reason I keep reading anything he writes is because of the stellar artists he’s always matched up with.
But I’m getting so tired of Millar, I don’t think there’s any artists that can draw me to his books anymore. Guess I’ll never find out what happens between Cap and the Red Skull.
Art: 4 - Very Good
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Mark Millar is European, and Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck style conservatism really does not exist in Europe. Most likely, he is peppering his scripts with American style conservative views just to be provocative.
er, yeah, Millar is definitely NOT conservative from what I’ve read. If anything, I’d say he’s actually trying to make fun of the viewpoint in comics like these.
I’m not reading this, but I never really got the idea that Millar was conseravative. Where does he "hate the French"? Because he had Cap say "This A doesn’t stand for France" or whatever? That’s not a knock against the French; that’s just a jokey remark that someone who saved France in WWII would make. In the first issue of this, didn’t Millar write Nick Fury as making some remark about the new US administration being less secretive (read: less creepy and evil) than the previous one? I heard there was an innocuous pro-Obama line in the first issue. So how specifically is Millar conservative? It’s just interesting to me. I pretty much agree with daccampo; from what I sense, Millar never really includes any viewpoint with much seriousness–it’s all in there to have fun with it.
By the way: Rush Limbo conservatism, Glenn Beck conservatism, American conservatism, and European conservatism–these are four different things, and they all exist. I’m not a conservative, but I lived in the UK for a while, and, wow, read some of the British Nationalist party’s lines. They actually hold some small amount of elected power, unlike say the American Nazi Party.
I’m not reading this, but I never really got the idea that Millar was conseravative. Where does he "hate the French"? Because he had Cap say "This A doesn’t stand for France" or whatever? That’s not a knock against the French; that’s just a jokey remark that someone who saved France in WWII would make. In the first issue of this, didn’t Millar write Nick Fury as making some remark about the new US administration being less secretive (read: less creepy and evil) than the previous one? I heard there was an innocuous pro-Obama line in the first issue. So how specifically is Millar conservative? It’s just interesting to me. I pretty much agree with daccampo; from what I sense, Millar never really includes any viewpoint with much seriousness–it’s all in there to have fun with it.
By the way: Rush Limbo conservatism, Glenn Beck conservatism, American conservatism, and European conservatism–these are four different things, and they all exist. I’m not a conservative, but I lived in the UK for a while, and, wow, read some of the British Nationalist party’s lines. They actually hold some small amount of elected power, unlike say the American Nazi Party.
I’ve stated before that I don’t look for too much depth in Millar’s work – thoiugh I have always seen him to have a great sense of irony. Any political joke or ‘A stands for France’ gag always seems to me to be lampooning conservative attitudes rather than being overtly conservative or anti European.
I’d just like to say, as a Brit, the BNP is not a well followed party despite their new found "popularity" (getting a miniscule percentage of a miniscule turnout and having a couple of EU parliament seats is not difficult for a party for whom the vast majority of their votes are protest votes against the political mainstream. Not direct support of what is essentially a single issue party against immigration) are marginal at best.
Even though I hate defending them, the BNP is not analogous of the American Nazi Party. The BNP are Fascistic, not Nazis. Its a subtle but important difference. The BNP has more in common with Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck than with any mainstream party in the UK. UK conservatism is not even in the same league as American Conservatism. Totally different things.
Anyway, I really liked this issue. Millar seems to get the more militaristic aspects of the ultimate avengers and this is borne out in the characters POVs.
@Selfstyler – exactly.
While you are certainly welcome to not enjoy Millar’s work, I think you’re way off the mark in your reasoning.
I see very little politicking going on in these books, especially considering that the book is about a group of super heroes who work for the government. Some of the characters (like Cap) work for the governement because they’re patriotic (not necessarily conservative, the two are not mutually inclusive), and some, like the new WASP, are probably pretty anti-governent. It makes for good storytelling, in my opinion. I really don’t think Millar has any "’hidden’ political agenda" here.
If anything, stop reading his stories because of his stance on bacon. Seriously, this man has some sort of vendetta against the sweet sweet meat of the pig.
There are some pretty blatent patterns indicitave of conservatism in Millar’s writing. Not American conservatism exactly, but more reminiscent of Sir Edmund Burke. For instance, he often sets up democratic governments as an antagonist in some way. If they are not the badguys outright, like in Wanted, then they are an obstacle or accomplice to the badguy, as in this Ultimate Avengers storyline where the Red Skull is no longer an agent of Nazi germany, but a creation of the U.S. Government. Millar also wrote "Wolverine: Enemy of the State.
There is also the "might makes right" monarchical aspect of conservative philosophy played out in Wanted and The Authority. Its also worth noting, pretty much all of Millar’s "heroes" kill.
Compare this to the classic "liberal" heroes who refuse to kill and who work with the authorities to arrest and prosecute bad guys and its pretty clear that Millar’s writing reflects a conservative worldview.
Add to this really petty, contrived stuff like the comments about Hillary Clinton’s "cankles" and Millar just makes himself seem like a radical American "birther"-type conservative.
This is where I personally draw the line. I can handle the fact he comes from a particular worldview, but when he starts throwing in red meat for the "ditto-head" radicals like that I begin to object to spending my money on that kind of stuff.
I’m dropping this book.