“Take this guy… armed robbery, double homicide… has a taste for theatrics, like you… he leaves a calling card.” (UPDATE)

It’s all over the internet so it might as well be here too: Heath Ledger is going to be The Joker in The Dark Knight.

Newsarama appears to be the first to break the news that Heath Ledger has been cast as the prime baddie in the sequel to Batman Begins, which is probably my favorite of all the recent superhero movies, and the sequel I’m most looking forward to. It is the opinion of Conor and myself that the Australian pretty boy is one hell of an actor, and there’s no reason that he can’t pull this off, provided the character is written well. Thanks to The Dude for reminding us we should probably post this.

Between the three iFanboys there is a general agreement that within the world of these new Batman movies, The Joker needs to be f’ing terrifying. He needs to scare the living hell out of the audience. That’s a Joker we haven’t seen yet and one we think we absolutely need to see. Now, where the iFanboys disagree is how exactly to portray that Joker – but then how often do we totally agree on anything? Please remember that any and all Brokeback jokes are tired, and have been used ad infinitum. Ledger was really impressive in Brokeback Mountain, which is probably why he was nominated for an Oscar for the role. Not that he hasn’t been in some stinkers, but that was the movie, not so much him. The Four Feathers was one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen, for example. Anyway, have at it.

UPDATE! Ain’t It Cool offers up an alternative to Heath Ledger, in the form of a sample from the music of the Batman Musical done a few years ago. I thought the song sounded vaguely like Meatloaf, only to see this guy wrote songs for Meatloaf, so there you go.

Comments

  1. I believe this could be going in the right direction. Think about it. The joker is tall, lanky and has a big smile. Looks at Ledger, he�s tall, lanky, and has a huge set of teeth. This could work. His curly hair, green. Just imagine him all white with the suit on. I think this could be really good. And Nolan knows how to make actors really work. I think Nolan could make him pull off one hell of a Joker.

  2. Sounds like a good bit of casting to me, i just hope they go with the terrifying,
    psychotic Joker, and not the comedic Jack Nicholson version.

  3. Judging by how well that dude from 28 Days Later worked out in Batman Begins, I have full faith that Ledger will be able to be the Joker.
    Not that I would have even DREAMT of putting him that rule. If I hadn’t’ve seen him be amazing and incredible and deep and devastating in Brokeback Mountain, I’d probably still hate him. Also, that movie was really gay.

  4. I’m with Ian. I never want to see another funny Riddler or wacky Two-face or quirky Joker. Time for something new.
    Except for that scene in the museum where the Joker and his boys mess up all the paintings to the tune of Prince. I hope they edit that into the new Batman movie.

  5. I always loved the batman animated version of the joker, right down the center. Half prankster, and half psycho scary. I’ve read they’re (the writers) are taking heavily from “The Killing Joke” so I’d imagine one sick ass Joker if they stick with that. And I’ll just bring her up now, knowing someone will. Harley Quinn, I’d rather see her in a later sequal, work on the Joker as a single first. If they decide to put her in the movie I believe they’ll do a good job, but that’s just my opinion on the Harley Quinn thing. So I’m excitied now.

  6. Now that I think about it, I haven’t read many actual comic book stories with the Joker in them. I read “Death in the Family,” which was pretty gruesome. I read that series of Superman titles where the Joker had Mxyzptlk’s powers and I read the recent sequel in Superman/Batman. My main exposure to the Joker has been the Bruce Timm animated series. I think the animated Joker always carried a deadly presence on the screen, but I think the kid audience kept them from ever portraying how scary/twisted the Joker can be. They did a great job in the flashback in the Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker movie. The way he taunts Batman in that sequence is really nasty.

    I am psyched about a new vision of the Joker. However, does anyone fear we could get another kid-friendly Joker? I have heard one of the disappointments with Superman Returns has been the Lois/Superman/Cyclops (???) love triangle and that it wasn’t very accessible to kid audiences. Does anyone else fear they are going to sacrifice a truly demented Joker for one who is kid-friendly?

  7. Now that I think about it, I haven’t read many actual comic book stories with the Joker in them. I read “Death in the Family,” which was pretty gruesome. I read that series of Superman titles where the Joker had Mxyzptlk’s powers and I read the recent sequel in Superman/Batman. My main exposure to the Joker has been the Bruce Timm animated series.

    Get thee to The Killing Joke right now!

  8. I will add it to the iFanboy Recommended Reading List that I have developed, but hasn’t Alan Moore expressed distaste for that story?

  9. I am curious how they will portray the Joker. Also. I think that they can write in Harley Quinn and make it cool. The problem, I feel, would be a Joker back story. Just make him scary with a mystery about him. They don’t have to tell the whole story. Make him insane, scary, and demented with a little funny. Could be interesting.

  10. Have faith. They didn’t do much back story for Ra’s al Ghul or Scarecrow. And people already know the Joker’s story.

    Alan Moore may not like it, but he’s crazy. It’s probably the best single Batman/Joker story there is. And it’d all drawn by Brian Bolland! It’s gorgeous as well. I mean, it’s grizzly, but gorgeous.

  11. Even though I think Ledger will do a good job, I still feel like I missed out on Crispin Glover as the Joker. His facial structure and body type are perfect for the Joker, not to mention I feel he would give the Joker a terrifying quality that not many other actors could produce.

    Here’s a link to his imdb page.
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000417/

  12. For some reason, I think it would be freakier if the Joker wasn’t done up in all the make-up and everything… like maybe if he was just a regular serial killer who was messed up in the head.

    It’ll be interesting to see how they put a “real-world” spin on the Joker. I thought they designed Scarecrow so well… it’d be a shame to see them choke on the Joker.

  13. my first reaction to the news was adverse I mean come on – 10 things i hate about you? knight’s tale? THE PATRIOT? those movies are scary awful. 😐 And yea yea it’s true that it may not be Heath’s fault that those movies all sucked. I mean look at Jake in Donnie Darko and Jarhead, then watch Bubbleboy.

    I still haven’t seen Brokeback Mountain though Maybe after watching it i will be more confident. But i don’t know. I just don’t know.

  14. Crispin Glover is a crappy loser actor who was too good to even come back for a Back to the Future sequel. Wiki says the other actors considered were Sparks from The Matrix 3, Silas from Da Vinci Code, and Robin Williams. Robin Williams is interesting but i think he’d be too old and goofy.

  15. whoa George – you didn’t just say Crispin Glover is crappy and loser?

    He’s one of our generation’s misunderstood geniuses!

  16. Crispin Glover is my density.

    I would like to go back to what Josh said…of all recent superhero movies “Batman Begins” really sets itself apart. It was dark, it was scary…and it was not Butrton-ized (and I love Tim Burton).

    I hope and feel that they will maintain this edge as the work the sequel and that Heath is a skilled enough actor that he can portray a character that scares us with a smile.

    He was on “Home and Away.” That’s got to be worth something to the doubters.

  17. They’ve been saying Robin Williams was considered for the Joker since 1988, back when they were saying Bill Murray was offered Batman. (And what would THAT Hollywood Elseworld be like?)

  18. I read the Bill Murry was offerd it back when Ivan Rietman was going to do it, and Eddie Murphy was going to be Robin. But this was after Ghostbusters, and I beleive they were going for a comedy like the 60’s show. But when Rietman left so did the Murry talk. That’d probably one of those “so bad it’s good” kind of movies, but it’d ruin Batman films for a long time.

  19. I’ve seen a few people allude to it here, but…With the exception of “The Killing Joke” are there any good Joker comic stories? Lately anytime that the Joker shows up, it’s dumb. I just don’t think people know how to write him properly. An example is the recent Batman Secrets, did anyone else read that? Take away the AMAZING Sam Keith art (and if you did that, why would you read it anyway) the story is dumb and predictable and been done a thousand times. I just don’t remember really being impressed with any other Joker stories. The animated series had some good ones, but…they had some goofy ones too.

  20. The Joker stuff in “No Man’s Land” was good, not a joker story, but some good stuff from that character.

  21. The Englehart/Rogers run of Detective is collected in tpb form as BATMAN:Strange Apparitions. The last two issues are Joker stories and they are fantastic.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1563895005/sr=8-1/qid=1154522894/ref=sr_1_1/102-4197356-7108138?ie=UTF8

    and there is a Greatest Joker Stories Ever Told tpb floating around most decent shops…

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0930289366/102-4197356-7108138?v=glance&n=283155

    at least 1 if not both of the Englehart/Rogers stories are contained in the this collection…

  22. Do not download that song. I warn you. Don’t. Trust me, it’s the worst in musical theatrics, trotting out ever tired line the Joker ever said (specially from Tim Burton Movies).

    As for the Heath, this may be the first boneable Joker ever. Damn, he’ll be sexy.

  23. Photoshop gives us a glimpse at how Ledgoker might look:

    http://www.newsaramablog.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_genius_0.jpg

  24. You know what?

    I don’t want to see another Joker story. I just want a NEW Batman story with some other villain, something ELSE. I wonder if people will react to this story as another rehash of an old movie, like someone said about Superman Returns?

    At first, I was thinking it might be cool to have Sean Penn as the Joker but then I realized that it would be cooler to just do something different…

    oh well. I am still living in my “World’s Finest” fantasy anyway.

    m

  25. I’d agree with you on one hand, but on the other we still haven’t REALLY seen The Joker. Even Jack, as great as he was, did a more buffoonish Joker. We haven’t seen a Joker that will haunt people’s nightmares.

  26. I have the utmost respect for Nolan and after Begins, trust him complicitly as far as casting goes. If he says Ledger is gonna be amazing then….

    I have a feeling that the sequel is gonna be somewhat darker than Begins, if thats possible. Ledger is a young guy and a great actor and I want the film NOW!

    Although I guess those rumours of Jake Gyllenhaal as Harvey Dent are going to be put to rest?

    Not sure I could watch that cast with a straight face

  27. haha
    the sequel to Brokeback Mountain! This time with cool costumes!

  28. They did ask for no Brokeback Mountain jokes, but that amused the hell out of me, Geroge.

  29. This was probably just rumor or speculation, but one time I heard the idea of Leiv Schriber for Harvey Dent and that seemed to fit really, really well.

  30. I woulda loved that.
    By the way, the amazon ad has a black sabbath record on it. Are you guys picking these things? Because the other day it was Pelican.
    Pelican x 1000 I woulda loved that.
    By the way, the amazon ad has a black sabbath record on it. Are you guys picking these things? Because the other day it was Pelican.
    Pelican x 1000 < Sabbath.

  31. that came out wrong. weird.

  32. Nate, said,
    “I’ve seen a few people allude to it here, but…With the exception of “The Killing Joke” are there any good Joker comic stories? Lately anytime that the Joker shows up, it’s dumb. I just don’t think people know how to write him properly.”

    although i didn’t read Keith’s Joker story i would like to recommend to you the Joker story arc in Gotham Central. it was a pretty brutal characterization of the Joker and if you couple that with the realistic atmosphere of Gotham Central then you certainly have a viable source of inspiration for an awesome sequel to an awesome Batman flick

  33. I heard Brubaker wrote a sorta year one Joker story, I think it was called “The Man who Laughs.” I heard that was really good, I tried to find it…no luck. But I heard good things.

  34. There is really no reason why I don’t have this, and quite frankly I’m pissed I don’t.

    Batman: The Man Who Laughs

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Creative team
    Writer(s) Ed Brubaker
    Artist(s) Doug Mahnke
    Colourist(s) David Baron

    Batman: The Man Who Laughs is a one-shot graphic novel by Ed Brubaker and Doug Mahnke, released in February 2005, and intended as a sequel to Batman: Year One. It tells the story of Batman’s first encounter with The Joker in post-Crisis continuity.

    The title is a reference to the movie The Man Who Laughs, based on the book of the same name by Victor Hugo, which was the inspiration for The Joker.

  35. A interesting list of the “25 greatist Batman Graphic Novels” of course it’s open for debate, but some interesting reading none the less http://comics.ign.com/articles/624/624619p1.html

  36. At the behest of Conor, I read “The Killing Joke” over the weekend.

    “Get thee to The Killing Joke right now!”

    I have been thinking about picking up DC Universe: Stories of Alan Moore and The Killing Joke is apart of that book so I went for it.

    I was enjoying the story, until it appeared as though they were telling the Joker’s origin. When that started to unfold, I really began to dislike the whole thing. It seemed like a very lame Joker origin. Thankfully, the Joker sets up a disclaimer of sorts nullifying the origin and setting it up as only a possibility. Paul Dini did a similar thing in the “Mad Love” episode of the animated series.

    I have a couple questions about the Joker. Does anyone believe it is possible to tell a satisfying Joker origin? Is mystery apart of why the character is so compelling? Is there a weakness in comic book story telling that prevents a true Joker origin from being told?

    This story is a Joker origin at one level. It clues us in to the fact that there was a terrible tragedy “one bad day” that destroyed this character and turned him into a psycho monster. I want to read a story where I see something really nasty happen to this guy and watch the Joker come out on the other side. Would seeing that change how the Joker appears to us for good or for bad. I guess it depends on the story told, but do you think DC would ever give us a definitive Joker origin?

  37. What did you think was lame about the Joker origin story?

    I thought the simplicty of the story was great. Here is a guy trying to make ends meet and he does this one criminal thing, then his whole world goes down the drain. His wife is and baby are killed in a freak accident and he is disfigured. So he deals with it by laughing and pulling deadly pranks. Basically the guys goes insane.

  38. I think that a lot of people consider The Killing Joke to be The Joker’s origin story. I know I do.

    I found it very satisfying myself, as an origin story, but you’re right – there is that little bit of doubt that Alan Moore left in there for people who don’t want to know The Joker’s origin, so it works out for everyone.

  39. I plan on spoiling apart of The Killing Joke here so don’t read it if you don’t want anything spoiled.

    It just seems to me that there would be more to the Joker’s insanity than being a failed comedian who lost his wife and child to some random event. How does that translate into being a criminal mastermind? I really enjoyed the story. I really enjoyed the internal dialogue where Batman decalres their relationship is going to come down to one of them killing the other and how that returns at the end. Bruce Timm and crew obviously had this story in mind when they told the death of the Joker in Batman Beyond: “Return of the Joker.”

    Next I am reading, “For the Man Who Has Everything.”

  40. Would you suggest that the Joker had to be a genius mad scientist first in order to be smart enough to turn into the criminal mastermind? I think that’s the interesting part. Who knows what genius, evil or otherwise is lurking in the heads of any given person out on the street? Who knows how much anger and rage would exist behind any given person who had something really bad happen to them?

    Is that basically the opposite of what happens to Spider-Man? He was just some kid. Joker is the opposite. Just some guy whose life took a wrong turn.

    For the record, Moore thinks Killing Joke is one of the worst stories he’s ever written.

  41. I think that’s the interesting part. Who knows what genius, evil or otherwise is lurking in the heads of any given person out on the street? Who knows how much anger and rage would exist behind any given person who had something really bad happen to them?

    And that’s exactly why The Joker’s so F’ing scary and why The Killing Joke is so brilliant.

  42. I have always assumed the Joker had some sort of background in organized crime, with some chemistry and comedy interests. I pictured him as a soldier in the mob. I never thought he was a chemist, but he understood the basic principles of the science. The clown thing I assumed was a gimmick, like bats are for Batman.

    The average guy angle was something that seemed too cliche for a character that carries as much weight as the Joker does. Too random. I am not saying he was born as evil incarnate. What I am saying is I would really enjoy a Joker origin that starts with him as an average guy or even a child. He is bullied or he is the bully. Tell me why he is either of those. Then show me how it puts him into one bad situation. Expand on every step on the journey. I want to see him twist. I want to see him resist and eventually break. I want inside his head for the whole experience. I want to see why he believes what he does is appropriate. Is that too much to ask for?

    The Killing Joke does some of this, but it also leaves a lot to be filled in by the reader. Like who was the Joker before he was a failed comedian? Why can’t he tell a joke? How much does that weigh in on him becoming the Joker? There is irony there.

    There would be little room for Batman at the beginning of the story, but it doesn’t have to be a confrontational story. It also seems like an epic tale and probably not a four issue arc. I really liked The Killing Joke. It is quality comic book story telling. I would like to read a lot more before I settle with who and why the Joker is what he is.

  43. I have always assumed the Joker had some sort of background in organized crime, with some chemistry and comedy interests. I pictured him as a soldier in the mob. I never thought he was a chemist, but he understood the basic principles of the science. The clown thing I assumed was a gimmick, like bats are for Batman.

    I blame Jack Nicholson and Tim Burton.

  44. I believe it was Denny O’Niell (sp) that said, the Joker and Batman could be the same guy, accept one went one way and the other in the opposite direction. The Joker is an average guy, Bruce Wayne was just a kid, but similar tragidy in losing their familes. The diffrence between the two just being men I suppose would be Bruce having tons of money. (But I’d figure at five, I think that’s how old he was, you wouldn’t really think about it.) And joker having none when he was a normal man. The other diffrence being Bruce didn’t get disfigured and then lose his family, which I’d like to think was the tip point.

  45. The animated series also hinted to an organized crime background. Jack Nicholson was the second time I was presented with the Joker. The first was from the Adam West series. Honestly, all of this origin thought comes from me wondering how they will spin the character in Dark Knight or if they will gloss over. I could be satisfied with A Killing Joke level origin, but I would really enjoy going into it deeper.

    I guess I always expected more to the explanation of who the Joker is. It seems like there is a lot more depth to the Joker�s beginning than this story presents. I want to reiterate that I enjoyed the story, but as a Batman/Joker confrontation and not a Joker origin. Maybe it wasn’t intended to be a Joker origin. Maybe, in my mind, the character has been inflated into something that cannot be explained. Does anyone else feel like that could be the case for them? I get who the Joker is (a guy who had a bad day), but I would like to see more about the specifics of why.

  46. The animated series also hinted to an organized crime background.

    The Animated Series was heavily influenced by the Burton films, especially the art direction and the character designs for The Penguin and Catwoman, so it’s not surprising that they hinted at an origin for The Joker similar to that of the Jack Nicholson version.

  47. All the more reason for them to nail it in the comics. Unless what they want is a character that can work at different levels and can be kid-friendly, which I am sure is something they do want. When they did Wolverine’s origin a couple years ago, JQ said that if they hadn’t told that story then, someone else would have done it in a movie or somewhere else later. Let�s have a twisted tale that leads you to feel something about this guy. Whether that is fear, sympathy, both, or something else. Maybe there are more stories I haven’t read that do expand on the Joker’s character. However it seems like anytime he is spun, we get something that is hinted to be a lot scarier than what we actually see. Granted, the Joker did do some pretty f*cked up stuff in The Killing Joke.

  48. To be fair, I think that the story you are looking for is The Killing Joke, but it’s not the story you want. You might just be out of luck. For me, personally, I got all I wanted out of The Joker’s origin in that story, but others might want more.

    For more fucked up stuff from The Joker:

    Batman: A Death in the Family

  49. DC Continuity Nuts: how long has the Joker been “the Joker”?

    It is currently Batman: Year __?

  50. There’s no good way to answer that question.

    Batman started when he was 28. Robin didn’t come along until three years (or so) later. He was 8. Now he’s in his early 20s. That puts Batman in his 40s yet he is portrayed to be in his 30s and then your brain starts to melt and leak out of your ears.

  51. I find that at a certain point, no origin story will do a character justice. I was let down by Wolverine’s, but nearly any story at that point would do it. Same for the Joker (although, I’m not let down by it.) I find it to be much more compelling that he’s not a career gangster, since that madness that lurks in the mind of the normal guy is much scarier than that of the career criminal. To each their own.

  52. I wasn’t very impressed with Wolverine’s origin either. Maybe you’re right and no origin story can appropriately serve some comic book characters. I would like to think comics can tell any story well if talented people are doing the story telling. I do believe that. I guess I believe there is potential in the Joker to detail a lot more and if anyone ever did write more to it, it would be a lot of fun to read. Probably, pretty scarey too.

  53. I hate you Dave Graham. You put The Killing Joke in my head and last night I had a burning desrire deep in the pit of my soul to read it. But I couldn’t. It is currently near the bottom of my fabled four feet of new comics stack on my dresser and I couldn’t get to it. I could see the spine, mocking me.

  54. I seem to remember reading that the Joker had about ten origins, all of them told in such a way as to suggest that the Joker, in his super-insanity, was remembering his life differently every time. That may actually be in “The Killing Joke,” but now that I want to read it again I realize I can’t find my copy! Dammit!

    When I came back to comics, I was scandalized to hear that they were telling Wolverine’s origin precisely because it could never live up to the buildup of expectations. On the one hand, the mystery was such a huge part of the character’s mystique. At the same time, the mystery had been drawn out for SO long that it was losing its potency. Without any of his past nailed down, writers kept giving immortal Forrest-Gumpian Logan links to every event in human history. He fought with Cap in WWII! He was a spy with Ben Grimm in the sixties! Look in this picture; there he was at the moon landing, fighting Sabretooth in the Sea of Tranquility!

  55. Because of this thread, I have talked to my comic book store owner and got “The Man Who Laughs” story arc. I do not have them yet, because the owner had to trade some comics to get them. But, I looking forward to the read.

  56. “Would you suggest that the Joker had to be a genius mad scientist first in order to be smart enough to turn into the criminal mastermind? I think that’s the interesting part. Who knows what genius, evil or otherwise is lurking in the heads of any given person out on the street? Who knows how much anger and rage would exist behind any given person who had something really bad happen to them?”

    josh, i was rereading arkham asylum the other day and in that story it was suggested that instead of the joker being insane, he actually possessed a type of “super sanity”, better suited for the 21st century, and he just seemed insane. love that book, dave mckean’s rendition of joker is one of the most disturbing i’ve seen.

  57. I read that a long time ago, just as I was getting back into comics, and I feel that, perhaps, I was not ready for it. I should read it again. I’m definitely feeling the need to read Killing Joke again, but that I have NO idea where it is. I don’t own Arkham though.

  58. Chris Nolan on The Dark Knight Casting Rumors

    Ever since the conclusion of Batman Begins rumors have run rampant regarding the cast of the next film to follow.

    Even before the announcement of the Dark Knight title, or the casting of Heath Ledger, there has been constant talk of which actors would be offered roles in the film. Is there any truth to any of these rumors?

    The IESB, along with a few select websites, were invited down to an edit bay visit with Chris Nolan and Emma Thomas while he was doing the final sound mixing for The Prestige which stars Hugh Jackman, Christian Bale, Scarlett Johansson, and Michael Caine.

    In the midst of all the Prestige talk, we were able to get him to talk a bit about the highly anticipated Batman sequel.

    Ryan Phillippe and Phillip Seymore Hoffman have been rumored to be in the running for Harvey Dent and The Penguin, respectively. Is there any validity here or pure speculation? “As The Penguin, no, not true.” Also, was Sean Penn originally offered the role of the Joker before Heath Ledger? Laughingly he said, “no, no truth to any of those rumors.”

    http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_d4j_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=featured&article=248&Itemid=27

    More in the link.

  59. I just read this and I am so, so happy:

    http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=8329

    Heath Ledger made the rounds, talking first to the Toronto Sun about what he expects to do as the Clown Prince of Crime. “It’s definitely going to stump people. I think it’ll be more along the lines of how the Joker was meant to be in the comics, darker and more sinister.” He then told the Toronto Star, “I wouldn’t have thought of me, either. But it’s obviously not going to be what Jack Nicholson did. It’s going to be more nuanced and dark and more along the lines of a ‘Clockwork Orange’ kind of feel. Which is, I think, what the comic book was after: less about his laugh and more about his eyes.”

  60. would you ever want to see them attempt a dark knight returns type movie? could it be done well? before i saw batman begins i would have said never, but i think nolan could pull it off. of course, this will never happen.

  61. A Dark Knight Returns movie… I’m not really sure who it would be for. Me, I guess, but I can’t make it profitable all by myself. I don’t know how the public at large would react to a movie like that being dropped into the marketplace. In the realm of comics, where there are five different batman stories a month, DKR is a fresh, unique look at the material. But Batman movies don’t come out at quite that rate and reach a very different audience. DKR is sort of written assuming that its audience has had a long history with the character… or is it?

    They also like to use superhero movies to sell breakfast cereal to schoolchildren, which Frank Miller is ill suited to.

    Personally, I always struggle with the idea of adaptations. Why do we want them? If they change anything, I’m furious. If they leave everything the same, I can sit there in the theater and think, “Yes! See? There you go. That’s a perfect, meticulously faithful telling of my favorite story… which… I have already read… many times. I’m going to go set $10 on fire.”

    You know what I mean? I know what happens already, and what it looks like; I have this story sitting in my house right now. What do I get out of them making it into a movie? I have this conversation about Harry Potter every 18 months or so.

  62. Count me in for a Dark Knight Returns movie, but I doubt it would be live action. I don’t think there is a market for that grim of a Batman. DC is interested doing direct to video animation films with some of there comics. Not necessarily in the Bruce Timm style that most of their animation has been done in. The first is going to be The New Frontier and afterwards The Death of Superman. These videos are supposed to be extremely faithful to the comic versions.

    I am not a fan of adaptations either, but different media have different abilities. There are ways they could add to these stories through animation. The trade is that there are things that can’t be done in other media and pieces of a story can get lost.

    Have you ever seen the episode of Batman The Animated Series where they do their own version of Dark Knight? It was one of the later episodes. It gets done comedicly but it is one of the better episodes. Michael Ironsides as the voice of Batman is not something you want to pass on.

  63. Does anyone else think that Batman Returns is overrated? I liked it. Liked it a lot actually, but I don’t think it holds up to repeat viewings. And what’s more, Burton’s original Batman was overrated as well. To me, the best Batman movie ever was Mask of the Phantasm. That’s the kind of Bat-movie I want to see.

  64. I am going to throw in with horatio and say Mask of the Phantasim is one of my favorite Batman stories. Two of my favorite Batman moments are in that movie. The first being when Bruce is begging his parents to let him out of his promise. The second is the scene when he put on the mask for the first time, its heartbreaking.

    It should be noted my primarly exposure to Batman is the animated series. Whether or not you consider it an acurate portrayal of the character, you have to admit the animated series is damn good story telling.

  65. It should be noted my primarly exposure to Batman is the animated series. Whether or not you consider it an acurate portrayal of the character, you have to admit the animated series is damn good story telling.

    It’s easily the most acurate portrayal of Batman ever seen outside of comics.

    That having been said, I haven’t really loved any of the animated movies. Though I just rewatched the uncut Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker and I really, really enjoyed it.

  66. A great line from Return of the Joker…

    “Just a kid in a play suit crying for mommy and daddy.”

    That is evil.