I was watching TV with my brother just now and the Ghost Rider/Jackson-Hewitt commercial came on.
This caused my (non-comic book reading) brother to exclaim “WHY, NICK CAGE, WHY?!” Apparently he doesn’t think Mr. Cage would make a good Ghost Rider. I explained that Mr. Cage is a comic book freak and that he had almost been the big screen version of Superman and Iron Man. My brother pondered this for a minute and said, “I guess that’s okay, then. But he’s not a good Ghost Rider. Who could he be?”
And that got me thinking and now I pose the question to you:
Which comic book character could Nicolas Cage pull off successfully?
Bad choices aside, the man is a good actor and there has to be a character out there that he is suited to portray.
This thread is meant to be constructive. No gratuitous Nicolas Cage bashing will be allowed.
Intelligent analysis only, please.
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Hrmmm…
I think the biggest problem with casting Cage is the way he delivers his lines. It doesn’t really fit most superhero styles.
How about Hank Pym as any of his various identities? I think he could get a nicely neurotic Pym done.
I think Nic Cage would make a pretty good Joker. He’s got the skinny, almost gaunt features, and he can play crazy pretty good (Face Off anyone?).
The Leader
Loki, I think he could almost pull off The Vulture, Maybe Hawkeye, MAYBE Deathstroke? and ALMOST Cable…. maybe not so much the last two
Oh… what about The Vision?
Very good point Conor it is actually something I’ve thought about a little bit from time to time. I agree that he’s a very good actor (among my favorites) but I have to admit he’s not the most good-looking actor out there. Most popular comic book characters are quite good-looking, Captain America is tall and blonde, Superman tall dark and handsome, Ironman tall dark handsome with a mustache(hasn’t anybody told him it’s not the 70s anymore) hell Tom Cruise was the first guy on the list for Ironman they weren’t Looking for Joe Pesci. That’s a second point, most actors and actresses who play comic book characters are extremely good-looking. Hally Barry, Kirsten Dunst, Christian Bale, Tobey Maguire nice-looking people. I actually don’t think I know an ugly female superhero come to think of it? So for Nicolas Cage as much as I respect and admire him what have to fill the slot was somebody like Namor, Black Bolt and maybe The Flash. He does the be a good Rorschach in watchmen or some character in Sin City I can’t think which one of the many characters there might fit him. Actually at the end of this I just realized he’d make a great Roger from Hellboy!
The Vulture is an interesting idea. When I saw the picture above, the first thing that came to mind was an adult Harry Osborn, may he rest in peace. Cage has a fairly analogous look and can work up a pretty good case of the crazies when he needs to.
No gratuitous Nicholas Cage bashing will be allowed
Well that counts me out. I loved leaving los vegas when it first came out and thought he was a great actor. I went to his next movie with anticipation. I don’t remeber what that movie was but I haven’t been able to sit through anything else he’s done. I guess what makes a great actor is unscientific and very subjective. I won’t see ghost rider just because he’s in it. I would agree with whoever said the vulture but only if it’s a cameo.
Ohh… I can definately see and Older Harry Osborn now that you mention it…. not Norman thou, his face doesn’t feel…. Tommy-Lee Jones enough
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The problem with Nick Cage as Johnny is that he is too old. Nick Cage 10 or 15 years ago would have been better.
I think he could do a Batman villian though – Riddler? Joker? Mr. Freeze?
I can’t say anything constructive about him except that he does a great jimmy stewart
so obvious it should be Blackbolt.
so obvious it should be Blackbolt.
You shut your face!
Honestly, I don’t think he’s got the gravitas for this.
The best thing I’ve seen so far has been Norman Osbourne. I think he could do that. Of course, it was already done.
What about Jay Garrick or Alan Scott?
I have a great love for Black Bolt. I think he would good as someone who cant speak but maybe he dosent have the gravitas. One down two to go. How about Batman or all the X-men.
It would have to be somebody way over the top. I can’t remember his name, but I’m sure Ron will. Psylocke’s brother. The one who can pull the strings of reality.
Blackbolt indeed. Maybe Nova. Wonder Man.
I could really see him as a variety of villains too. Kang would work for him and his voice would fit. Mysterio. Graviton. Sebastion Shaw. Shocker.
He would be perfect to play Ozymandias in the Watchmen movie. Or since we’ve all seen him strung out on screen before, Spider Jerusalem.
“Kang would work for him and his voice would fit”
Thats the hard thing about casting our fave heros,we all hear different voices in our head when we read, and Cage has a very distinct voice.
Darkhawk.
mitchell hundred maybe? i don’t know, its shocking but i haven’t really seen many nic cage movies. not ones i remember anyway.
Hmm…I guess I would have to say that he would best play…Fone Bone. Seriously, the dude has a big schnoz.
Also, I’m interested in the Ghost Rider movie, but do not know if I could stand looking at this ridiculous hair the whole movie. As a balding man myself, I shudder to think of it.
He is way too old to pull off Darkhawk. Superman? Come on now, there is no way that guy is going to be able to convince anyone he is the Man of Steel. Not saying he couldn’t get the role. What I am saying is I be sitting there in my seat saying, “Nic Cage looks cool tossing that Kryptonite island into space.” He ain’t no Thor, but maybe Donald Blake. Iron Man…maybe but again I’d be seeing Nic Cage, not Tony Stark. Captain America? Hell no. Too old for Peter Parker. I like the idea of Hank Pym. Old Harry Osborn? Yeah, he looks it, but Harry doesn’t make it out of his twenties. Lastly, no way Nic Cage is pulling of Luke Cage.
How about Namor? They both have the same receding hairline. Throw some Spock ears on the guy and some time in the gym. Hell, he doesn’t have to work out all that much, just put that black vest on him. Yeah, they would have to go with the black vest, with the wings, and the leggings because I am not paying to see Nic Cage in a green speedo.
Honestly, what’s wrong with Ghost Rider? He is a C-list character and Cage is an A-B-list actor. He can only add to the role. I have had the exact opposite conversation Conor seemed to have with his brother. A friend of mine believes Nic Cage was born to play Ghost Rider. I don’t share his excitement. Nothing I have seen of Ghost Rider makes me think the character merits anything outside of a co-star or supporting role in a Blade movie. I think Cage is too good for the role.
My point (even I am surprised that all of this means something) Nic Cage is an awkward guy to fit into a super hero role, but Ghost Rider is an untraditional kind of super hero. I think he’ll be able to pull off Ghost Rider as long as the story plays to Nic Cage’s strengths.
Mr. Sinister…
Let it sink in.
Now tell me you wouldn’t die to see a “X” movie with Cage as Sinister
Nah, I don’t think he has the presence or jaw for Sinister
He could totally do Namor. That’s awesome.
Namor… he definitely looks the part but he wouldn’t be able to deliver the lines very well.
I can’t see Jessica Alba and Nicolas Cage having an affair behind Ioan Gruffudd (Mr Fantastic’s) back.
Although, he would make a perfect Jigsaw… just remember him from Face/Off and now check out this photo…
http://www.joshnizzi.com/images/punisher/JoshNizzi_JIGSAW.JPG
I would’ve taken him as The Punisher.
Joker… Eh. MAYBE.
Vision seems okay, too.
Maybe that is because Jessica Alba is not the right actress for Invisible Woman. Think about it. Hmmm? So do I have to recast Sue Storm now? Is that the rule? How about Amanda Peet or Kimberley Davies?
Nah, I can’t see him pulling off anything in a superhero movie. He’s a good actor and everything, but he has too many mannerisms that would be glaringly “Nic Cage” in a superhero movie. I think you tend to want actors that can approach the role with a clean slate since the characters are already pre-defined for the comic-nerd populace; the way he talks, his looks, and his personality are too much for him to pull of any superhero convincingly.
Ghost Rider is as good a role as any for him, though. I’m pretty sure I’ll be able to enjoy the movie since I don’t know anything about Ghost Rider (His head is on fire? Awesome.).
Northstar, Jamie Madrox, Sinestro
I’d buy Namor. Namor’s an asshole. Cage is an asshole. I’m in
dr strange
same reason
How about early Moon Knight? I could totally see him doing the split personality thing.
I would also second Hank Pym, although I agree that he’s got much more of a villain vibe. He can be a very showy actor, and that definitely lends itself more to villainous roles. Yeah, I can totally see him monologuing while slowly torturing our hero.
I could see him as Namor, but the Mr. Sinister thing would rock!! I’ve always had a massive odd man crush on Mr. Sinister, just too cool. Anywho, is anybody really excited about the Ghost Rider movie? I’m just worried because it looks like a “Daredevil” type of thing, though Nic Cage is a better actor than Affleck. I’m just concerned that its going to be a bad movie but make tons of money, like X3.
How about Preacher? He looks a bit like Jesse Custer.
don’t you dare
not my Preacher
Scott B., please don’t mess up an otherwise already screwed up story like Preacher by putting Cage into it as well. Namor I think is the best suggestion that has been made so far.
I’m just worried because it looks like a “Daredevil” type of thing, though Nic Cage is a better actor than Affleck.
There’s a reason that Ghost Rider looks like Daredevil. Same director.
(Not that I want a Watchmen movie, but) The Comedian popped into my head, and then I thought Rorschach would be even better. Altho I’m not sure Cage could pull off that creepy. Ultimates Hawkeye maybe.
You know what? Cage could really pull of Rorschach. Excellent call.
Rorschach. I could even see Preacher. What about Green Arrow?
When Cage is talking in the GR trailer, does anyone else think Tiny Elvis?
Holden Carver, from Sleeper. I think he’d be perfect.
Dr. Reed.
I like a lot of the thoughts here. There is some good debate and ideas. I do like the idea of a Mr. Sinister Cage. But I really think that he would be a good Deadpool. I mean, I am reading the newest Deadpool/Cable comic and I could really see him in that role. I mean, just maniacal at times and his over the top attitude would only add to the character. I really wanted Ryan Reynolds to do this, but I don’t think that is going to happen, so Nic Cage I think would be really good for the role.
And this is off topic, but with all of the Wonder Woman casting stuff. What would you think about Katherine Heigl as the Amazonian Princess? I think that would be stellar. She has the build and stature, just dye her hair blonde and she is a winner.
Oh, sure bring us down that road… I’m sure this is wrong of me to say, but I think Kate Bosworth proved that it’s a mistake to cast a natural blonde as an iconic brunette. There’s just something not right about it, despite the best acting effort. It’s like Betty pretending to be Veronica, on some level you know it’s a farce.
CZJ would be a good Diana. I could watch her all day
I have the WW debate at work at least once a month. A guy at work will e-mail me an idea and I give him the same answer every time.
There is no current name actress that I can see as Wonder Woman. This role needs to be a starmaker.
How do you get from Ryan Reynolds to Nick Cage? 😉
Also, I agree with Conor on WW. Also, it’s annoying when that guy does that.
When that casting happens, it’s going to be some Michael Keaton as Batman shit. You won’t like it. It won’t seem right, and it won’t be what you had in mind, but I bet it will work for the movie.
Do you ever think the WW movie just isn’t gonna happen? It reminds me of Kevin Smith’s Green Hornet. I’m hearing about it… I’m hearing about it… I’m hearing the same things I heard about it last time… I’m hearing stagnation… I’m not hearing about it.
Well, last I heard, the script wasn’t even written. And that’s just a first draft. So, I wouldn’t hold your breath.
But yeah, I know that feeling.
Natalie Mendoza, who was in The Descent, looks to have the physicality that WW needs. Don’t know about her acting chops, though.
Heigl would need to work out a bit. How old is she anyway? I would think that they would want someone younger.
Is Joss Whedon still involved in that project? That’s probably about the only thing that would move the Wonder Woman movie away from the “snooze” category in my mind.
Also, I like the idea (at least these days) of hiring no name actors to play our favorite characters from comics. Then, we don’t have that association syndrome from our previous experiences with them.
I say Hellblazer…wasn’t he at one time cast as that? Sean Penn for preacher
Both Sean Penn and Nick Cage are at least 20 years too old to play Jesse Custer.
How about Krista Allen for WW? She’s certainly got the build if not necessarily the acting chops.
kirstie alley
Fettuccini!!!!!!!
How about Krista Allen for WW? She’s certainly got the build if not necessarily the acting chops.
Please tell me you are kidding.
cage is great, he can play anything!
i bet he can play the shit out of Elijah Snow. He can play that smug wise-ass role well.
Fettuccini!
Krista Allen… urk!
If Jolie were a few years younger, I’d say her. Jessica Biel maybe?
Nick Cage would make a great Elastic Man.
I think Josh Schweigert meant Plastic Man and it’s funny because thats exactally what I was gonna say. He would be a great Plas! He has that quirkiness and the look as well. Eel O’ Brian… it seems so obvious to me.
Also am I the only one that thinks they missed the boat by not casting Matthew McConehey(again I know that can’t be the right spelling)as Ghost Rider. He would be the perfect Johnny Blaze in my opinion….Wonder Woman….hmmmm Still haven’t seen the perfect girl yet.
I want a Power Girl movie!!!!
Oh and Scott H , did you happen to see X3? The guy that played Jamie Madrox was absolutely perfect. In my opinion he stole the movie. He only had 2 scenes but man, he just played him perfectly and looked like him too.
Maybe Cage could play Beak in a Exiles movie?!?
I will echo the Vision recommendation. After seeing City of Angels, he kind of had that “This humanity thing is strange to me” aura in everything that he’s done.
While I agree with Conor that WW should be a star maker, I don’t think that Wonder Woman, as a character and concept, has enough interest to draw big box office support. Which makes me think that that’s why they’d cast a star and they’re getting Joss Whedon to write it.
Of course, I could be totally wrong.
Yeah, I was thinking about that the other day. Of DC’s “big three” what doesn’t WW contribute? Batman is humanity, where Superman is God-like. Batman is likely to solve a problem with his intellect, where Superman is able to rely on his great strength. There are a dozen other ying-and-yangisms you can come up with to generalize those two characters, but what does Wonder Woman contribute to the dynamic? The only thing I could come up with is she is the woman, but that seems sexist.
While I agree with Conor that WW should be a star maker, I don’t think that Wonder Woman, as a character and concept, has enough interest to draw big box office support
She is one of the most internationally recognizable comic book characters, and had her own successful live action TV series. I dated a girl once who never read a comic book in her life but had Linda Carter/Wonder Woman posters and Wonder Woman t-shirts. Come to think of it, I had a college girlfriend who had Wonder Woman t-shirts too, but never would even consider picking up a comic book.
Of DC’s “big three” what doesn’t WW contribute?
I think she represents a lot of things, not the least of which is a strong female hero for young girls to look up to. She doesn’t have to represent anything in relation to Superman and Batman, she exists just fine in on her own.
The “Big Three” thing only exists in the comic book, Joe/Joan Q. Public doesn’t care about how they relate to one another.
I think it would be tough to make a WW movie and it not be cheesy. Any way you think about it, it’s a ridiculous concept. The only way it’s gonna work is if the dialogue is snappy and the lead carries the film with her charisma. I don’t envy Whedon. I can’t wait to see what he does with it. I’m going to watch the hell out of this movie.
Conor: I understand that she’s very recognizable, but I think she’s more a symbol than a character that some people follow. Like getting a Superman tattoo or something to that effect.
I’m not saying that there won’t be a following, but I’m saying that trying to make a girl with an whip and an invisible plane look cool on the big screen will be difficult. Recognition won’t be the issue, interest will.
A whip?
You don’t know shit about Wonder Woman, DO YOU?!
(totally giving you shit)
Whedon has said that there will be an invisible plane. Just FYI.
I know that those things are symbolic, which makes me even more skeptical that the movie would do well. Because the interest in Wonderwoman, and I have a lot of friends that are girls that have some WW stuff, is more surfacey “I am woman, hear me roar” sort of thing. Which I don’t think will necessarily translate to box office sales.
And Josh, apparently I don’t know anything about WW, I’m a total Marvel Zombie.
I know that those things are symbolic, which makes me even more skeptical that the movie would do well. Because the interest in Wonderwoman, and I have a lot of friends that are girls that have some WW stuff, is more surfacey “I am woman, hear me roar” sort of thing. Which I don’t think will necessarily translate to box office sales.
It’s all surfacey, you know? A movie like Spider-Man does $400+ million box office and the vast majority of the money generated comes from ticket sales to people with only a surfacey interest in Spider-Man. There aren’t enough hardcore character fans to drive movie ticket sales.
The only superhero that might transcend that theory, I think, is Superman because of his cultural ubiquity. Possibly Batman.
And Josh, apparently I don’t know anything about WW, I’m a total Marvel Zombie.
It’s not a whip. It’s a golden lasso (fancy word for fucking rope). And it compells you to tell the truth.
It would be better if it was a whip.
I agree. Or some sort of whip/lasso combo.
And if she wore a fedora and dusty leather jacket.
THAT would put butts in seats.
we’ll turn this into some kind of bizarre bondage snuff film yet goddamnit
Conor, of course I was kidding about Krista Allen for WW.
*Whew*
I still stand by Kirstie Alley
I still stand by Kirstie Alley
As what, the island?
I think the Nic Cage question is answered in Conor’s intial posing of the question — comic fans (like Cage, like me, like perhaps many here) generally like characters who have ideal characteristics they themselves lack, so Cage is best when portraying an “everyman,” as opposed to a comic icon.
As Namor? The true Namor fans would burn the studio down if Cage was cast. As Vision? You can’t get a $10-$20 million dollar actor for a supporting role in an ensemble cast with a big SFX budget. Vision=Leonard Nimoy type.
Toby Maguire is the only known actor to successfully pull off a comic character, the best have always been unknowns; we don’t go to see Nic Cage and his baggage, we go to see the character who has a rich history of baggage already.
On WW script delays:
I think Whedon is really the perfect writer to transcend the mere “iconic” nature of the character, yet embrace that, and the camp element, but also portray a character rich in personality and deliver a rocking good story.
That said, I think the delays are FULLY due to Whedon’s knowledge that if the studio won’t let him have maximum control on the project, he’ll drop it, and they probably figure he’s about the only one to do it right, so Whedon is stalling (I think) as a tactic to gain full artistic control. I support that.
Definitely WW is an unknown/star maker role. Whedon will choose wisely, saying the only one on the list so far is Paul Sorvino…
Speaking of ww and the aformention failed gl movie, what was the last word on jack black playing gl in the big budget version?
As Namor? The true Namor fans would burn the studio down if Cage was cast.
All four of them?
Toby Maguire is the only known actor to successfully pull off a comic character
Michael Keaton pulled off Batman. Ditto Jack Nicholson as The Joker. Also, the entire casts of Sin City and Road to Perdition.
Oh, and Thomas Jane and The Punisher!
There are FOUR Namor fans!? Bullshit!
And I fucking guarantee that Cage is one of them.
Chiklis as the Thing? Terrence Stamp as Zod? Christian Bale as Batman? Wesley Snipes as Blade.
I could go on.
thora birch was awsome in ghost world, ahhnold as conan, and the best of the best pre-destiny maybe ? was patrick stewart as the prof.
Was Arnold a name before Conan The Barbarian, or did Conan make him a name? I can’t remember.
he had the great role of arnold in pumping iron with ferigno (ahh the marvel comic synergy) where he would tell the camera about the regimine of hard steriods he was taking, and he did a couple of hercules goes bananas type movie where he was named arnold strong and his voice was redubbed into english, as well as a movie with loni anderson where she was sposed to be mae west or something, very odd. but conan was his first real swazaneggar (sp?) billed role.
So then Conan was a starmaking role and Arnold was not a name playing a comic book character.
Conan was his breakthrough role. I don’t know what Loni Anderson movie he’s talking about, but the first movie I remember seeing him in was this Looney-Tunes type chase movie called The Villain. Schwarzenegger was a name before Conan, but not a huge name.
I meant to add that The Villain starred Ann Margaret and Kirk Douglas and that it sucked.
well he was a name, just more of oddity ..as for star turns at roles..it really has to be a case where the star has a personal history with the character i think, for there to be any type of credibility or at least so they would take it seriously. The dude from lord of the rings was good in a history of violence, and lets not forget andrienne barbaue in swamp thing. 😉
Also one the best was the stephen king sutff from creepshow and the tales from the crypt stuff, not as direct but def. some ec linage there. A question for josh, do you remember wierd 2, hosted by stephen king on wlbz, and the wonderfull great money movie by eddie driscoll, when they would show a weeklong series of the man from atlentis or the 70’s spiderman show..what a time.
A question for josh, do you remember wierd 2, hosted by stephen king on wlbz, and the wonderfull great money movie by eddie driscoll, when they would show a weeklong series of the man from atlentis or the 70’s spiderman show..what a time.
I’m confused by this question. Was it a TV show in Maine or something? If so, no, I don’t remember it.
yeah, in the 80’s there was a show on wlbz bangor around midnight on sunday’s , it was stephen king introducing classic and shlock type horror or sci-fi movies and he’d always do some kind of lame/great intro skit themed toward the movie, as for the great money movie, eddie driscoll would host the 5 pm show everyday weekday, there was a theme each week, one week would be spider-man where 2 shows were strung together every day or a godzilla week etc. and he’d pick numbers out of a barrel and call random people and if they knew the name of the movie that day they would win 25 bucks..great small city tv.
I’m from Brunswick, so we didn’t get Bangor TV. That’s funny though. He’s like uber-rich now, so I imagine he wasn’t at that point.
King was in the midst of his fame back then, wierd 2 was a redux of sorts of a show he loved as a kid, I’m from nova scotia and we got wlbz as well as the abc and cbs affiliates..good memories, feeling old tho. The point in a round about way, the ec adaptations may have been a decent star turn for the odd guest star in the day.
As what, the island?
as the man with the FETTUCINI!
On the Namor four fans thing
One of them died last week, it’s 3.
Anybody else thing that Aquaman victory over Namor in Marvel/DC was bullshit?
Anybody else thing that Aquaman victory over Namor in Marvel/DC was bullshit?
it may have been, but speaking of that event..spider mans equel is super-boy???
and who dared decide that robin and jubilee should start the thing..ugh
I think the Spider-man/Superboy pairing was because they were both clone characters. Also is Spider-man (probably, Marvel’s most well known character) when up against Superman (DC’s most well known character) that story is going to last all of three seconds before Spidey goes splat.
Here is a question I don’t think I have ever read anywhere else before… could Wolverine’s adamantium claws pierce Superman’s invulnerable skin? We all have our own thoughts on Wolverine vs. Batman, what about Wolverine v.s. Superman?
Just to keep it on topic, who should direct that film (since both characters have been well cast already)?
Here is a question I don’t think I have ever read anywhere else before… could Wolverine’s adamantium claws pierce Superman’s invulnerable skin? We all have our own thoughts on Wolverine vs. Batman, what about Wolverine v.s. Superman?
Unless those adamantium claws are enchanted with magic, then no.
Going a little off topic here… but anyone remember in that Wolverine issue of Civil War, where they locked up Wolverine and put a mutant ability inhibitor on him, but then he popped the claws saying something like ‘my healing factor is a mutant ability, but these aint!’..
Aren’t his claws a mutant ability, and just the Adamantium coating isnt? And also… how does a mutant ability nullifyer work anyways? what if someone had no limbs because of a mutation? would they suddenly grow linbs when the mutant inhibitor was on them? pfft!
Here is a question I don’t think I have ever read anywhere else before… could Wolverine’s adamantium claws pierce Superman’s invulnerable skin? We all have our own thoughts on Wolverine vs. Batman, what about Wolverine v.s. Superman?
Better question: could Superman break Wolverine’s bones? (God, I’m such a dork.)
Aren’t his claws a mutant ability, and just the Adamantium coating isnt? And also… how does a mutant ability nullifyer work anyways? what if someone had no limbs because of a mutation? would they suddenly grow linbs when the mutant inhibitor was on them? pfft!
The center of this thread cannot hold!
But I’m fine with that. His mutant power is the healing factor, which allows him to have the skeleton grafts and claws. But they’re not his power. I guess anyone could get the claws and adamantium, but only he could survive the procedure. Oh yeah, he’s also got animal senses for some reason as a mutant power.
You want to know how the nullifier works? Sure, but first you have to explain how mutant powers work.
The claws are his power. There’s bone under the adamantium.
Of course, I’m a little rusty on my X-mythology so someone feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
I always assumed Wolverine’s mutation was an ampted up ferociousness, which leads to the healing factor, the animal senses, and his body developing claws. The healing factor allowed him to survive the adamentium bonding process. So the metal has nothing to do with him being a mutant.
The flaw lies with the idea of a mutant inhibitor. If you put it on Grant Morisson’s chicken X-Man, what is it inhibiting? He is still chicken X-Man.
And I guess Nic Cage could play Chicken X-Man in a movie.
I think when you look at mutation, there are 2 types – physical mutation that is based on being a mutant and causes physiological changes (i.e. Wolverine’s Claws, Angel’s Wings etc.) then there are “powers” that can be nullified or inhibited (i.e. Cyclops blast, Wolverine’s healing ability, Jean’s Telepathy)
So putting an inhibitor or power nullifier wouldn’t cause Angel’s wings to fall off or Beast’s hands and feet to go normal, but they would keep Rogue from absorbing another’s powers…
That’s at least my theory…
On Patrick Stewart playing a GREAT prof. X, I bow my head. I was so stunned by Picard as Prof. X when the first movie came out and how obvious it was it blew my head around, and made me feel dumb for not thinking of it. But really it’s about the director/writer, where casting starts. Look at the damage Halle Barry did in that awful Catwoman thing, trying to make it her own personal vehicle. But Stewart was great because he was already the “Prof. X” type, and didn’t have to force it.
But Michael Keaton as a good Batman? Old Fat Jack Nicholson as the Joker? Those remain very, very controversial casting choices. Devito as the Penguin was great, Pfifer as Catwoman, Yawn.
But shaving Nic Cage’s considerable body hair and having him run around trying to pull off Namor only in a tiny speedo is just sick and wrong. Before casting Boreanez for Buffy, Whedon had the women on the production team check him out. I think he needed insight that some here may lack…
Like those that make certain off-color jokes, there are far, far more Namor fans than many assume… Just ask Brian Singer and Ian McKellen, who apparently loves a NYC performance artist that makes my sense of humor seem prudish in comparison.
Fred, you wouldn’t know which way was in or out… But Sir Ian loves it, and he was a GREAT Magneto. Takes all kinds, and there are many kinds of fanboys…
But Michael Keaton as a good Batman? Old Fat Jack Nicholson as the Joker? Those remain very, very controversial casting choices.
With whom?
But shaving Nic Cage’s considerable body hair and having him run around trying to pull off Namor only in a tiny speedo is just sick and wrong.
Sick and wrong?
Like those that make certain off-color jokes, there are far, far more Namor fans than many assume.
If there were, Namor’s books would sell.
Since we have the attention of the resident X-Menologist, has Rogue ever absorbed a physical mutation? Could she become Chicken X-Girl?
Before he was Professor X and way before the Governator played the role, I always thought Patrick Stewart would have made a hell of a Mr. Freeze. Characterized like he is in the animated series, I believe Stewart is the kind of character actor who could communicate that intense but restrained emotion that Mr. Freeze calls for.
Fred, you wouldn’t know which way was in or out
um yeah, what’s that mean?
um yeah, what’s that mean?
I was confused about that too…
Is it a gay thing? I wasn’t grossed out by the Brubaker cherry thing because of that; it was the virginity creepy pedo way it came out
I don’t believe Rogue absorbs permanent physical mutations, I could be wrong, but I believe her absorption is powers based…
You know, the more I think about this, the more it pisses me off at how much more Morrison screwed up the x-universe with secondary mutations and making mutations more physical…
Like if Rogue touched Emma, would she absorb her telepathy or the ability to turn into a diamond? The diamond power thing, while physical, isn’t a permanent mutation, rather like a shapeshifter sort of power…
they sure don’t make it easy for us.
Wait, is it that gay men like Namor? Is that it?
Because I’ve never heard that. I know a lot of gay dudes who like Wonder Woman. But I never heard about a big gay Sub-Mariner movement. Is this because of the speedo? I dunno man, that’s a reach.
I was harkening back to my post about the ‘popping my Brubaker cherry’ thing rather than Namor
I am unaware of the size of Namor’s gay fan base
except to say that it’s now less than 3 with last weeks death
I don’t know anything about secondary mutations, but I take Emma’s diamond ability to be very similar to Colossus
It’s a odd aside that the majority of superhero’s have a base of normality to them, and then an event that changes them, the reasoning I guess is that readers can identify and therefor get caught up in the imagery. The mutation idea or the spider bite, the alien to earth that develops power, the gl ring whatever..I find it interesting that charecters that don’t have that base seem to never develop the same following..maybe we can’t accept fantasy as much as the sf connection.
And we come back around to Wonder Woman:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ifa3342614f951b4f3029a31f258d3f05
Another ‘Wonder Woman’ for WB
From The Vine
By Tatiana Siegel and Borys Kit
Feb 1, 2007
Warner Bros. Pictures and Silver Pictures are quietly in the process of buying a “Wonder Woman” spec script from newcomers Matthew Jennison and Brent Strickland, sources said.
The studio and producer Joel Silver have been developing a big-screen rendition of the DC Comics superhero, with “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” creator Joss Whedon writing the script and attached to direct.
More in the link.
“..maybe we can’t accept fantasy as much as the sf connection.”
I think it’s just all about “suspension of disbelief,” and a character can be sf, fantasy, superhero, costumed, set in the past, time travel, horror, whatever– if the the writing is crap, if there isn’t some cool element that captures the imagination, if there is no sense of humanity we can relate to, if the story is not well paced, if the plot holes are too big, the writing just a hack job or lazy, It’s just dumb. Bad storytellers get bogged down in dumb details, good storytellers carry you away whatever the concept.
I’ve never read Mouse Guard, the concept is totally unreal, but it obviously draws from two great sources -Narnia and Tolkien. Kirby always went pretty far out in every direction possible, but he usually captivated readers with some pretty way out stuff, and has any artist ever created so many enduring and various characters and concepts, that are so wild and crazy but compelling nonetheless?
Josh, you of all people should know that Namor is like Black Bolt and the Silver Surfer — they can’t carry an entire title on their own, but they are uber cool regardless and have always had huge cult followings, otherwise they would have dropped down the same hole as thousands of other forgotten characters. 2 fans? Then why does he keep coming back after almost 60 years? And here we are talking about him still?
AND, you guys have mentioned time and again that they work better as significant members of an ensemble story rather than all by themselves. Lockjaw could never have his own title, but people LOVE that dog.
Many gay men love Linda Carter, but most have never read any Wonder Woman comics, or any comics period. I know a guy who did a great song called “Paradise Island,” loves WW, but has never gone near comics. I guess the people that love BB, Namor, and Silver Surfer are the ones that always find themselves constantly with one foot in two different worlds, not well understood by either. But the cult following won’t keep a title afloat financially, just as few X-Men could carry their own title solo.
AND based on what I’ve seen of recent versions, nobody has done Namor very well, and only screwed up very badly what Bill Everett and Kirby did. Just look at how many years Batman was crap until better writers took him back to his roots? Those of us who are older remember the great Namor of old.
And if you think watching Nic Cage in a speedo and pointy ears trying to talk like a regal monarch for two hours is a good idea, ask a girl, she’ll set you “straight” so to speak.
Fred: all due respect, there are some things that some people get, and some don’t. We understand each other on comics, but our non-comic reading friends are just puzzled and have no idea, and jump to false assumptions about creepy and weird and whatever. Same thing. It’s like the guy with the Green Lantern Lamp mentioned in a ifanboy podcast — we both probably think its totally awesome and not that big a deal, but many non comic people (like girls) would just make all kinds of weird assumptions that are just not accurate. Same thing.
Keaton and Nickolson — Connor, I heard a drag queen friend make the critique of these choices that sounded like you. Keaton lacks a certain dark and resolute quality, Nickolson just looked dumb and tubby in the purple suit, that dumb makeup, and was just phoning in the part playing himself more than the joker. I have also heard the same critique from many non comics fans who weren’t keen on Keaton and Nickolson.
And Fred:
They way you took my joke? In other circles I run in, it’s rather tame and common place, and my only mistake was forgetting the ifanboy community is very male, very hetero, and as for sexual issues… OK, I think that’s where I’ll stop…. Except to say that Vision, Silver Surfer, and Namor know what’s it like to be misunderstood by “foreigners,” and BB won’t talk about the subject because he’s too good a King to talksplode everyone on the subject, unlike me.
’nuff said.
I’m just going to drop it but I don’t appreciate being called a homophobe, however indirectly, because frankly I’m not.
You know what? This isn’t going anywhere productive, so that’s all folks.