NOTE: Let’s be mindful of all the new viewers participating in this conversation and try not to spoil plot points taking place deep into the run of the comic series. Mild speculation is fine and encouraged, as well as talking about things that have happened in the comic up until the point they are at in the show, but don’t get too explicit with regard to future surprises. They will be deleted. Thanks!
No recap this week due to an out of town wedding, so instead you get ot talk about the show LIVE. AS IT HAPPENS.
Here’s how “Hounded” is described:
As Andrea grows closer to the Governor, Michonne makes a decision about Woodbury. Glenn and Maggie go on a run. Rick struggles.
I look forward to your thoughts, opinions, gripes, live-blogging, etc.
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Yea Rick will be struggling, no kidding ha. I just caught up with last weeks episode, little let down after the wallop of the Lori episode. The scene with Rick finally finding the “birthing room” was hard to follow at first. I’m really pleased with the slow burn that the Governor character is receiving in the TV treatment. He is coming off as a fairly normal guy that lost his marbles, which I find very believable.
Yeah, this is a way cooler version of The Governor. I’m gonna imagine this version if I ever get enough time to read the novels. The comic version just went to extremes way too fast. I like how this guy is creeping his way up there instead.
That phone cord isn’t connected, right guys? Uh, guys…wire is cut…right?
Hershel kinda had a “there`s no ringtone on this phone” look when he picked up the phone.
Daryl’s the best character in this show…
I guess I was wrong about my idea’s concerning Lori. Just seems odd that a walker could eat all that meat, then her clothes, then her bones.
Rick said he killed four people, but I’m having trouble coming up with all of them. We got Shane, we got the two prisoners (although the second one was technically shot by Oscar)…who am I missing?
Also, I don’t know why, but I love the line “You hear that bird?” I think it’s just such an innocuous thing to say before Merle shoots Neil that it kinda makes me laugh.
He killed the one prisoner with the machete, he killed Shane, and he killed the two people in that bar when Hershel went on his drinking binge.
Right, forgot about the people in the bar. Thanks!
So two guys walk into a bar…
The thing about the tv series is that UNLIKE the comic book I find myself not really caring about the characters all that much.
Like in the events that happened in something to fear, i could barely breathe. I damn near cried. IF this happens/happened on the tv show i just dont think i’d care.
I think the writers need to take notes from Breaking Bad on how to better write the characters people care about.
Don’t get me wrong i love this show but it clearly needs some work still.
I think that’s due to two things really:
first in TV you simply can’t be as crazy as in a comic… just compare the costs… whatever you do in Comics, if it fails, yeah well, tough break for the 5 people involved and maybe a couple of thousand bucks down the drain… but mess up a TV show? Weeeeell… good luck…
I guess that’s why Hollywood is so eager to only produce proffed concepts… kinda fail safe plans
and second… I dunno how long you are reading WD, but for me it’s almost a decade now – and I really keep enjoying that ride .. if a TV show would be able to top that in 2 years, well, I would really question my reason why I am loving comics so much 🙂
Otherwise I agree… but I think season 3 really gets to the levels of the book overall
I’m the exact opposite. Specific scenes affect me more in the show than they did in the comic.
I’ve tried explaining this numerous times, but its because the show has a hard time making a true villain.
The moments in the show where you really could feel something is when you had ‘bad people’ that were bad for no reason. As a viewer, these ‘bad’ characters make you upset and you want to see your ‘heroes’ defeat them. Without that ‘anger’, you lose tension. Yes, there is still a lot of emotion in the TV series, but its pretty much a constant stream of sadness and depression and after a while, it wears off.
Now look… we have the Governor, who’s done some bad things. But 1. The bad things he’s done has been ‘backed up’ by showing that he’s doing it out of a ‘dog eat dog’ necessity motivation. He’s not killing people because he’s a sadistic crazy bastard, he’s killing people to take their things to help his town survive.
2. He hasn’t done anything, YET, to our ‘heroes’. Whereas in the comic he IMMEDIATELY does horrible and awful things to the characters we love right off the bat. So you get a sense of foreboding, you see that he’s nutty, but the viewer cannot be mad at him, at least so far. Sending Merle out to hunt Michonne is probably the first ‘angry’ thing he’s done to finally make the viewer fully turn against him.
Which leads to… Merle. When Merle gets the drop on Maggie and Glen, I’m willing to bet that invoked some kind of caring for those characters, right? Its not just because they are in peril, its because Merle was their antagonist from the get go. The viewer’s irony is we know that if Merle were to just be calm and talk it out, then all the threatening is unnecessary… one develops ‘anger’ at Merle for handling the scenario in the way it plays out. That anger translates to caring for Glenn and Maggie along with some great storytelling suspense.
Putting some humanity into the Governor’s character and what he does almost puts him the same level as Hershel prior to the barn incident. He’s just a guy doing what he thinks is right, even if its the wrong way. We’ve got very little to be mad at. Being sad and shocked at some things is only part of the equation, but I truly believe there is a trifecta that includes anger… something the comic has that the TV series doesn’t.
Andrea need to quit banging the bad guys.
The tv show is kind of playing The Governor as a “good” guy and not so much as downright evil as he was in the comics.
He has organized and maintained a community that protects his people.
So what makes the TV version of The Governor evil?
~~He keeps zombie heads in fish tanks and his zombie daughter in the closet.~~ Everyone deals with the loss of a family member in their own way. It doesn’t necessarily mean they are evil. Look at Hershel! He had a whole barn full of his loved ones and he is considered a good guy! As far as the zombie heads? Zombies would be a fascinating study and that could be an awesome trophy room.
~~Zombie fights for entertainment!~~ The zombie fights doesn’t exactly make The Governor evil, it makes him human. He has found a way to entertain his people and let them escape from the harsh reality of the world while at the same time to teach them not to be afraid of zombies. This isn’t as bad as it could be. If innocent humans were thrown into a cage full a zombies then that would be a different story.
~~He killed members of the US military.~~ This could be his only true evil act thus far. You really have to think about what has happened to them in the past. What has The Governor and his group gone through before the events of the show? If anything, this show has shown that humans can be just as deadly as zombies, if not more! He did what he thought was right to protect his own. Cold blooded murder is wrong but in a post apocalyptic world filled with zombies, is it necessary to survive? Afterall, Rick has done his own fair share of killing. Murder is murder even if it’s self defense. And even though that one prisoner escaped to later set off the prison alarms, Rick “murdered” him for what he might do in the future, same as The Governor.
The tv show definitely has a toned down Governor but, as comic book readers, we know what he is capable of and that makes the next episodes more exciting!
the thing with the Governor…you don’t have to show every single evil act to understand that he’s an evil person. From what we’ve seen and how he manipulates, we know what he’s capable of. The fact that he has kept control and has maintained fear and respect tells you something. He’s more of a dictator than a maniacal serial killer.
Humans (the living) are deadlier than the Zombies, that’s ACTUALLY the moral of the story.
MAGGIE NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
that part in the forrest with all the zombie guts all over the place. That was just straight up nasty. That part where Michonne sliced him open and it all fell out….that TOTALLY felt like a nod to cheezy low budget zombie movies. Just the whole way it was shot and stuff. Kinda fun.
Is Glenn going to be the Michonne of Woodbury?
Also, I think it’s very smart how they divided the personas of the comic Governor into two characters. The Governor being “The face” and Merle being the psycho killer with amputations. Good way to sell the characters to a T.V audience.
oh that’s an interesting interpretation of the characters…i like where you’re going with that. Totally makes sense
Definitely agree with Simon on how they’re splitting the Governor into two characters. The people who just watch the show already dislike Merle. It makes it more acceptable to them for him to be an out right evil bastard. Really feel like they want the Governor to go off the deep end closer to the season finale, but in the mean time we have Merle to do all the messed up stuff we comic fans would expect from the Governor.
And I see Maggie being the one that gets Michonne’s treatment in Woodbury. Probably as a way to break Glenn into telling them where their camp is.
I’m more afraid that Maggie is going to be the Michonne of Woodbury.
Not my precious Maggie…
“As Andrea grows closer to the Governor….” Translation: “The Gov’na proved that he really is an idiot”. Why would the man do such a thing?
1) Andrea is about as interesting to talk to as a walker.
2) He’s now compromised.
3) Hello Drama!
Has anyone noticed that Carl has been wearing a Science Dog T-shirt in every episode of this season. For some reason, that tickles me to no end.