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February 21, 2007 – Robin #159

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Story by Adam Beechen
Art by Freddie E. WIlliams II
Colors by Guy Major
Letters by John J. Hill

Published by DC Comics | $2.99

Ah, the comforting sight of word balloons…

I just checked to see if we’ve ever picked this book, and I’m astounded to see that despite continuing rave reviews from both the esteemed Mr. Kilpatrick and myself, this book has never earned the coveted accolade of Pick of the Week. Well, no more shall this injustice stand.

It was a doozy this week. Great books followed by great books. Even the not so great books gave you something to chew on. We saw the end of a war. We saw some more talksplode. We saw Ralph Dibny completely clean house. We saw The Spirit die. We saw George Perez drawing a Mark Waid script. Hell, I even read the first issue of Hellblazer in months and months that I actually enjoyed. Like I said, it was a doozy.

But after it was all said and done, I must reward the pick to the book which has most consistently and completely brought me enjoyment. In this issue, young master Tim finally goes out on a date with his tutor Zoanne. In the face of Infinity Gems, how much more mundane can you get? But that’s what was great about this. Of course, there was some supervillain action messing up the date, but that wasn’t the point at all. This book gets into Tim Drake’s personality, and explores his relationships with the people in his world better than almost any book out there. The fumbling conversations with Zo, where it’s so obvious that Tim wants to tell her what’s really going on in his life, but can’t are both charming and a little heartbreaking. You can almost hear the frustration in his voice when the date gets interrupted by the other part of his life. This can only lead to more interesting things in the future.

Additionally, I’m just enthralled when I read the interactions between Bruce and Tim in this title, and this issue may have been the best one. We get to see weaknesses in Batman’s character, and the ways in which Tim is actually more capable than him when it comes to relationships and personal matters. In a universe where everyone writes Batman as the man who can do no wrong, Robin is the only book that gives us a different perspective.

From a character interaction standpoint, I would class this book as the best thing since Bendis’ Ultimate Spider-Man. And I say that because of the books consistency from the first of Beechen’s issues, right up through this one. It has hit the mark more consistently than any other book in the DC Universe since One Year Later.

I would be remiss to credit all that success to writer Adam Beechen, without mentioning Freddie E. Williams II, whose artwork compliments the script as well as any could. We have proof of this, from the brief hiatus he took over the last 2 issues, because while the fill-ins were good, Williams’ return highlights his importance to the title. He draws a great Robin, and teens in general (except perhaps some of the wardrobe), but he also does an excellent Batman.

I should also probably mention that, while the cover is nice, I’m not sure who the blonde white girl is who Robin is protecting, because the girl on Robin’s date is decidedly different.

We’re always getting emails asking which ongoing series people should read. You should read Robin. If you like the Batman family, and you’re not reading this book, you’re wasting your time. If you’re new to DC, and you want a good book, here’s your answer. You get the point.

Josh Flanagan
You didn’t guess this one did you?
josh@ifanboy.com

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  1. Is this an okay jumping-on point? I know there’s a trade covering the first few issues of OYL which I’ll probably pick up, but I’ll check this issue out assuming it’s not the middle of another arc.

  2. Not to totally derail but…

    Did anybody get Nightly News #4? My comic shop says it didn’t ship. I’d like confirmation of this.

  3. It’s a great jumping on point. Read the trade as well, but you don’t even really need it.

  4. Excellent pick. This book is severely underrated for some reason. Looking forward to the podcast discussion of this one.

  5. awesome pick. I didnt even pick it up, I read my cousin’s copy. It was super good.

    By the way, Josh, do you read Local?

  6. The Nightly News did in fact ship. My review of it, my pick The Spirit #3, and the other 12 books I read is at http://www.revision3.com/forum/showthread.php?p=66081&posted=1#post66081

  7. We got this notice from DC Comics today:

    February 21, 2007

    **********

    CONTENT CHANGE FOR SUPERMAN #659

    SUPERMAN #659 (OCT060167) arrived in stores today with the story that was originally scheduled to appear in issue #660, written by Kurt Busiek & Fabian Nicieza, with art by Carlos Pacheco, Peter Vale and Jesus Merino and a cover by Al Barrionuevo.

    DC Comics regrets the inconvenience, and will make SUPERMAN #659 returnable at a later date.

  8. Damnit, now I have to go back to the store. Glad it’s a jumping on point.
    #159? Wow. I didn’t expect this series to be that far in.

    Between this, Detective, Batman, and Nightwing, I don’t think I’ve ever picked up so many “Bat-books” in one month.

  9. I’m glad you said something; it never would have occurred to me to even look at Robin. I’m only dimly aware that a book about Robin is published.

    I don’t know that I’ll read it soon (Batman is basically dead to me at the moment) but the next time I am looking for a fresh read, I may well give it a try.

    I liked Illuminati a lot this week. I wasn’t reading comics when the Infinity Gauntlet was a thing, but this story was interesting enough to make me think about tracking it down. I’d like to see that last page pay off in a couple of the characters’ own books.

    Punisher War Journal sorta sucker-punched me this month. I was not in the mood for what it turned out to be selling. Just when I was thinking, “Yeah, I sorta miss the days of Stilt-Man and the Gibbon,” he had to go and end it like that. Tsk.

  10. My frieken store didnt have robin. I swear my shop is run by retards. Maybe ill find it later.
    A very quiet ending to civil war but it truly did change the entire universe is what it was always about.
    Illuminati was my pick. Such a fun team of heroes with so many possibilities and capabilities behind them. Art was great(as expected).

  11. You know what’s funny about Robin? He doesn’t use that stylized “R” anymore on his costume, yet it’s still the font for the logo.

  12. CONTENT CHANGE FOR SUPERMAN #659

    So I wonder what’s going to happen to the Krypto story we were originally supposed to get? I got the feeling that issue (and the one we got today, “Angels”) were filler to give Pacheco time to get ahead on the next part of “Camelot Falls” but the next issue blurb shows that #660 will be back to that arc.

    And I’ll grab Robin tomorrow since I’m already going back because I apparently forgot to pick up The Spirit.

  13. Is there a trade of Robin one year later? thats when i heard it got really good and i’ve been meaning to get into it based on iFanboy’s recommendation

  14. Sure do love that Timmy Drake. I’m glad that he, and Dick, and Bruce all get along so well. Anyone else get that warm, fuzzy feeling when they all went to travel at the end of Infinite Crisis?

    But seriously, Tim kicks ass. I really wouldn’t mind him taking the Bat-Mantle someday. Anyone second that?

  15. Are you kidding me ROBIN come on there were so many great books this week and they chose robin

    GAY

  16. I second that completely. Did you read the Titans Tomorrow arc?

    Hes batman in it, and he uses a gun.

  17. Good pick. I didn’t have a real standout POW this week, but this was right up there with Illuminati and Spirit.

  18. I don’t know. My comics were kind of “meh” this week. Even Nightly News, which has consistanly impressed the hell out of me was light. I passed on Brave and the Bold opting for the trade later. Should I run to the nearest comic store to change that? Ah well, off to Comic Con.

  19. Good pick, is this weeks show going to be extra long? Because a ton of stuff worth talking about happened this week.

    And the DC train goes on.

  20. Will there even be a podcast this week with NY Comic Con going on?

    Oh, and Robin made me feel GAY too. Very happy…

  21. I haven’t had a chance to read any Robin yet, but will definitely pick it up when I go back to the store this weekend. Like others, I completely forgot to pick up The Spirit #3 because I suck.

    Overall, this week was strong, but nothing really stood out. I really, really enjoyed Punisher War Journal #4 way more than I thought I would. Brave and the Bold was ok…it had this sort of 80’s camp that I can’t quite decide if I like or not. Immortal Iron Fist and X-Men First Class #6 were really solid as always.

    Thanks for the solid review and reccommendation. I look forward to the podcast this week.

  22. Roblaw started picking this up since the jumper issue, and I’ve really been enjoying it. Looking forward to reading the latest.

  23. Civil War 7 left such a bad taste in my mouth, I really didn’t enjoy the other books I picked up. In fact, aside from DMZ, I don’t even remember the other eight titles I bought right now. Oh wait, I did like the cover of Amazing Spiderman with Reed Richards excitedly pointing out Spiderman on the giant monitor to the rest of the heroes standing in front of it. And Carol Danvers was seemingly clawing at Spiderman’s image on the monitor? Bravo!

  24. Looks like YellowJacket is doing the clawing, but, yes, a truly god awful cover to a truly god awful book.

  25. Civil War (the series, not just the last issue) was so disappointing. I mean it started off great with Captain America on the Shield Helicarrier and the Spider-Man reveal. But then the whole Clor battle happened and I think that was when it went downhill. It felt like the ending was so forced and rushed.

    I really enjoyed The Spirt. I picked up the earlier issues after Josh mentioned it on the show and it’s been a really fun pick. I just hope Darwyn Cooke stays on this for a while.

  26. So, a book about a character goes on a date with a girl, beats a supervillain, and then kisses the girl makes you feel gay?

    No comicbook reader stereotypes here.

  27. Great pick, Josh. Agree with the comparison of Robin to Ultimate Spider-Man. I think Robin is consistently the best written and drawn of all the Batman titles. The story is compelling in a way that say Nightwing is not.

  28. The story is compelling in a way that say Nightwing is not.

    You said it, man.

  29. The end to civil war did feel very rushed. In the battle when Namor comes out with an army of atlantians was really dumb. Completely forgot that Namor was even getting involved. Such a rough and very forced battle. The best though was Hercules picking up Thor’s hammer and breaking cyborg thor’s face. “THOU ART NO THOR!”

  30. about that, is thor a clone or a robot? his bust head seemed to have machine parts.

  31. “THOU ART NO THOR!”

    It’s not very often that former senator Lloyd Bentsen gets referenced in comics.

  32. Ladies and Gentlemen. Civil War is dead. Long LIve Civil War…..cause there is so much fallout it’ll take years to drag out…I mean get to.

  33. So what/who is going to be in the upcoming Black Panther fighting Storm? Does it take place…oh forget it. Continuity analysis seems useless at this point.
    And please don’t tell me the delays in CW 7 were do to writing in Captain Marvel and all the other CW projects that came out because the original delays. Turning to the page with Captain Marvel among all the other heroes just brought all the bad memories of the Return right back. The Return is the only comic I have ever just, upon finishing it, I walked it down and out to the trash bin and chucked it in. Not the recycle bin either as that just puts it back into the system. No, it deserves to rot among the dried feces, old fish bones and sticky magazines in the trash dump (not my trash can). Last word on all of this from me.

  34. Now I don’t read Robin, and I believe I’ll have to check it out, with CW over, I got room for another book.

    BUT…out of the books I did read this week, I think I’d have to go with NA: I #2. Like the last issue, this was just a fun FUN superhero book, and I can’t wait for issue 3.

  35. I personaly loved the final fight between Cap and Tony, it basicaly evened the playing field and showed that Cap was the real man of the pair.

    But the whole New Yorkers tackling Cap. I don’t know, on one hand it shows the courage of the American people, but I don’t think that Cap could have been Criminalized so much that he would be taken down by police officers and firefighters.

  36. hey just getting to the party late, but AntiFanboy Jon – I read Local and loved it – it was a great issue

  37. My POW would be The Spirit. I love everything about this book, and I too hope Darwyn Cooke stays on it for a good long while. This was my best week in a long time. Punisher: War Journal was good, as was Brave and the Bold, and New Avengers: Illuminati. And Civil War ended, yay!

    I used to read Robin waaaaaay back when it was in the #80’s. Maybe I’ll start picking it up again. Looking forward to the podcast this weekend.

  38. IF somebody wants an introduction to Tim Drake:

    OK, as someone coming back to comics from before there was even a Nightwing, I was like, “Tim Drake? Who is this Tim Drake kid? ” And the whole Jason Todd chatter just drove me further away…

    HOWEVER. (trying to catch up to current continuity), I just read “Identity Crisis” tonight. I am feeling extremely…raw. Yes, raw. Tim Drake? Yes, now I know who that kid is, and what a way to find out. If someone has been out of DC since before 2000, read “Identity Crisis,” and you’ll be looking for more Tim Drake stuff, like me. I am feeling so….raw. Excellent book, but very… what’s the word… Nice to know poor Tim got his life back together, Josh… (more raw feelings coming up). And then what do I find here? Robin. Yes, Robin, Tim Drake: I’m on board now.

    Oh, and Josh get’s “best essay style points,” A++ definitely. Conor and Ron are in B++ to A- territory, but Josh is definitely A++. Must have had a good teacher…

    Did I mention how raw I feel right now?

  39. thanks for the acknowledgement, ron

  40. In spite of my adoration of DMZ, I’m still not a Brian Wood fan. So no, I don’t read Local. Art looks nice though.

  41. Thor is a creation of Tony Starks and Reeds where they put Thors DNA into an Iron Man exoskeleton. I think.

  42. “So, a book about a character goes on a date with a girl, beats a supervillain, and then kisses the girl makes you feel gay?

    No comicbook reader stereotypes here.”

    Ahahahaha

    Well said, Josh. Well said.

  43. I HATED Civil War. LAME! LAME! LAME! But I’m happy they didn’t kill Cap. That’s how I thought it was going to turn out. And Amazing was not what I expected either. How many times are they going to kill the same character (if she’s dead . . .)

    I haven’t posted in a while . . . But Civil War tanked. I have to vent somewhere. It really sucked. The only character that I feel grew from this was Spider-Man. It really rocked his world and I like it that he’s back in his black costume. I just didn’t like the latest issue of Amazing. I though Mary Jane was going to be killed. Anyway . . . The assassinated Tony’s character and I just don’t think I’ll ever like him again. Him or Carol Danvers. At least Reed is conflicted and maybe feels bad about the crap he pulled . . . UGH!!!!

    On a positive note:

    LOVED INVINCIBLE!!! Now that’s a great comic!!!!

    But I’m like Jeff. Civil War left me so . . . ugh . . . It was hard to enjoy the rest of my stack. WW was pretty good. I haven’t read Spirit yet. I’ll definitely pick up Robin. I stopped reading it for some reason . . . But I did enjoy Beechen. I hope he does a good job on Titans.

    Sorry to blabber.

  44. Another reason why I was dissapointed with Civil War #7, and Civil War as a whole: It just didn’t make me care.

    I mean, during the first three issues, I actually felt worried for Cap, I was upset by Tony’s douche-ness, I wanted to know when Spider-Man would make the switch to the Secret Avengers, and I wanted to know what would happen with Thor’s clone.

    Maybe it was the delays, or declining quality of art, or the story-telling, or I dunno.

    Bottom line- Marvel just made me stop caring how it was going to end at all. I’m just hoping for some good stories to come out of this.

  45. Civil War was so many different kinds of bad. I sensed they were in some ways going for a Kingdom Come sort of feel, with the Heroes out of control, but it just didn’t work. At the end of the day, Millar (and his lackey Jenkins) just don’t get Captain America.

    Robin rocks.

  46. WOW ok I just got back from vacation and I picked up a months worth of comics (a lot of comics) and I just read CIVIL WAR once again WOW……
    WTF that has to be the biggest piece of shit I have ever read, so Cap just decides hes wrong and gives up in the middle of the fight? Clone Thor comes back and gets raped by Hercules in one page! Namor and an army of Atlanteans decide to join the war for two panels! The thing shows up out of the blue, Reed writes Sue a letter and she proves that she has zero personality and just goes back to him, after so much “Back in Black” Spidey changes costume “off screen” for no apparent reason, Maria Hill becomes Tony’s secretay
    Worst comic ever, I hope the Hulk comes back and destroys everything

  47. my first big week in awhile… so here goes:
    52 was alright, not up to snuff with some of the past ones, but it was cool nonetheless, although Faust seemed like a wimp compared to other times I’ve read him (like Crisis in Conscience, where he was a total badass)

    Immortal Iron First continues to rock, I’m happy that I’m still buying this series

    New Avengers: Illuminati was good, I just wish that it came out more often. One problem/major nitpick: there was one panel where Xavier looked like a 3 year old (it’s at the end right after the Watcher shows up)

    ASM… hmmm. I liked it, personally, but I can see why others didn’t like it. I probably should have read it after Civil War, but I didn’t for some reason, so it ruined some things (I did like how they kept plot details out of it)

    Checkmate kicked ass, again (in my opinion, at least). I really wish I understood why Fire decided to barbecue the floating head at the end, but I feel like that’ll all be explained next month. I liked starting to learn more about Corvalho, though. Favorite moment in the book: the interaction between the black side royalty about computers vs. bulletin boards, absolutely priceless.

    and finally… Civil War. The art? very good (again, in my opinion). The cover? good (I liked the first against the shield concept) Then you get to the words. Did this get written with a friggin’ speak and spell, or was it just a mad libs book? Cap wouldn’t give up that easily, Sue wouldn’t just go back to Reed after all that, Iron Man’s head of S.H.I.E.L.D? so who’s the iron Man in the mighty avengers (a series that I will not be reading)? And they just finished a 10 month long, 7 part series and will be giving us ANOTHER crossover starting in May? what? I give you all full permission to cybernetically slap me if it comes out and it’s on my pull list. The good side of Civil War 7, you may ask? My wallet will actually like me again, and I won’t have to keep seeing the stupid banners at my comic shop anymore. What started off as a really good idea was soon cut down by poor planning, resting on laurels, us being too gullible and willing to buy comics that might not be good, and a poor ending to a good idea.

    And now I’m done, good night and good luck

  48. I also liked the reference to Lloyd Bentson by Hercules… but then, I love awkward political references

  49. my only question is since when would cap not care about the civilians around him?? the new yorkers that tackled him & cap himself made it sound like he didnt care if civilans were hurt or caught in the crossfire???? & after reading it i felt like it was a waste of time for a mini series that coulda been handled in one of the main titles. cap did something he coulda done in the begenning & saved all the fights & exposition & set up. tony, reed, & hank still got what they wanted & didnt even learn anything from the civil war just that they were right & got to rub it in all the faces of the anti-reg people…. oh & tonys still a douche!
    local was a real good issue. & i had so many books this week i had to break my box in two this week lol. illuminati was a good one as well

  50. Like a lot of people here, I intend to pick up Robin once it comes out in trade. My pick this week would have to be the Spirit. Darwyn Cooke can do no wrong apparently.

    CW didn’t end well at all. It felt very rushed. It almost seemed like there was supposed to be an 8th issue and they decided to chop it short.

    Now, this part I know this is going to anger a lot of people here based on the comments above, but I thought New Avengers Illuminati was horrible. The first one was so good and action packed and then this one came along and a whole lot of nothing followed. No action at all. It was slow and drawn out and it was basically them sitting around a table talking for an entire issue. That’s fine and you need that sometimes in an ongoing title, but in a title like this that is supposed to be tackling something of the biggest events in Marvel history, it just seemed horribly out of place. Hopefully, three will return more to the quality of the first issue.

  51. “You know what’s funny about Robin? He doesn’t use that stylized “R” anymore on his costume, yet it’s still the font for the logo.”

    I don’t know if this is neither here not there, but there were a could of shots of the “stylized R” in “Indentity Crisis” said volumes. The “R” may change, but if this is where the character is in that volume, and the relationship between Batman and Robin has evolved but come out of that, Tim Drake is quite a young man with quite a history, and I am very excited to dip into that and see where it goes from me catching up so late in the game to where he is now. If the R is different, I can deal with that, just so long as they kept the character true to where they were taking him then “on the insides.”

    And, I hear the cheapshot gag “Batman and Robin, how Gay, Robin, How Gay” from my GAY (non fanboy) friends all the time, so anyone making such remarks is in good company.

    (now try and figure that last remark out…there’s a mystery….but as Batman asks: “who benefits?”)

  52. I am not a douche, and if people on this web site keep saying that I am I’ll have a dozen libel attorneys on you like my dates on a can of Diet Coke.

  53. C’mon Tony… You can afford to pay someone to write better analogies than that.

  54. Do I have to change my name b/c some loser is making stupid posts with my alias? [sigh] I guess I should have used something more unique.

    So will they re-release Superman #659?

  55. I was so disappointed with Civil War. I’d almost rather see Cap die fighting than just quit.

    My pick would be New Avengers: Illuminati #2. It was just a whole bucket of fun. Oh, and Deezer, I could be wrong but I think that Xavier was supposed to look that way, I think it was due to the effects of the gem. Black Bolt looked like a toddler too.

  56. Nevermind deezer…

    I think I misread your post.

    Sorry.

  57. I am seeing Civil War getting a lot of flak from this site. while I do agree with a lot of people are saying about it here it still was my favor Marvel book of the week.

    Why? Because at the end of this book I realized

  58. One thing about the retarded Civil War, Why did Spiderman change costume, is he wearing black because May dies? Cuse thats just stupid

  59. Why did Spiderman change costume…

    I imagine the “Back in Black” storyline will explain that.

    …is he wearing black because May dies? Cuse thats just stupid

    Mourning is stupid?

  60. “C’mon Tony… You can afford to pay someone to write better analogies than that.”

    Ah but see I run SHIELD now I don’t have to pay people to do that, tax payers do. Sadly government employees lack some of the vim and vigger of their free market counterparts. And you should see the huff they get in when you go around the carrier slapping the bottoms on the cute dames, I’ve had to spend half my time since taking charge talking to union representatives about “appropriate touching”.

    For once I have some sympathy for a Clinton.

  61. Your characterization is off. Tony Stark would LOVE Bill Clinton.

  62. There could be a lot of reasons started wearing black again. I can’t help but think of “Man in Black” by Johnny Cash.

    “Ah, I’d love to wear a rainbow every day,
    And tell the world that everything’s OK, But I’ll try to carry off a little darkness on my back, ‘Til things are brighter, I’m the Man In Black”

  63. “Your characterization is off. Tony Stark would LOVE Bill Clinton.”

    I love the idea of Bill Clinton, a cheeseburger loving ladies man as President what’s not to love, but I hate Bill Clinton. We had an early run in at Boys Nation when he was representing Arkansas and I was there for New York. It was the first time I’d ever been beaten to a girl, and I must say I’ve never forgiven him. (If you look closely at the picture of him shaking Kennedy’s hand I’m there at the back with my back to the camera.)

    “The assassinated Tony’s character and I just don’t think I’ll ever like him again. Him or Carol Danvers. At least Reed is conflicted and maybe feels bad about the crap he pulled . . . UGH!!!!”

    Look, I blame that Scot they got to write it. He didn’t even go into the other 41 ideas we had before we decided on throwing all our friends into an alternate dimension prison, if he had you all would agree we picked the best out of a batch of bad ideas. (Most of Pym’s some how involved hitting his wife).

  64. about that, is thor a clone or a robot? his bust head seemed to have machine parts.

    Clor is a bio-mechanical entity. The bio comes comes from the hair of Thor that Tony kept. And the mechanical portion is augmentation that Reed Richards threw in to (try to) keep Clor under control.

  65. “In a universe where everyone writes Batman as the man who can do no wrong, Robin is the only book that gives us a different perspective.”

    Not to be a stickler but Teen Titans always has that theme running through their storylines. Batman is seen as well respected but very cold and since Tim is their friend it bugs them more. They actually talk about it.

  66. Quiet Tolly! When you expose my ignorance, it undermines my credibility, and where am I then?!

    😉

  67. The rest of the iFanboy triforce ought to read Teen Titans. It’s been consistantly good reading (minus Kid Devil’s orgin issue). Even if you only catch up on the past 5 or so issues, I really suggest it.

    And Conner, props to you for having TT in your monthlies.

  68. Really ’cause i loved the origin isssues, i thought it was one of the strongest since OYL started

  69. “Really ’cause i loved the origin isssues, i thought it was one of the strongest since OYL started”

    I have to disagree. I mean, the art was the worst TT has ever had, and I just felt like it wasn’t all that great. Oddly enough, Kid Devil is my favorite Titan.

    Maybe it was okay by itself, but in comparsion to all of the other good writing in TT, I think it really fails.

  70. I second every post on here hating civil war–so much stupid crap it wasn’t even funny. The whole ending was written on the level of CW:The Return. Just rush through story/plot and set up the next round of bullshit.

    They actually had the nerve to put out an Initiative Checklist? Here is my checklist: Quit Buying Marvel Event Bullshit, check.

  71. Are we supposed to believe that after all his speeches and quoting Twin, that Steve Rogers just gave up–he looks around and says, uhh, sorry, no more fighting. And everyone just gives up alongside him. It’s like Millar got halfway through and didn’t know how ot end it.

  72. Who said mourning is stupid?

    What’s stupid is equating Spider-man’s black suit with mourning. I just don’t buy it. If he’s in the black suit again there has to be more to it than the death of Aunt May. At least I hope there is. Come on Marvel!

  73. I picked up Robin 159 this afternoon and read it. It was good, I think I’ll subscribe to it now

  74. “I mean, the art was the worst TT has ever had”
    … I’ll give you that

  75. Posted by Steve M

    Are we supposed to believe that after all his speeches and quoting Twin, that Steve Rogers just gave up–he looks around and says, uhh, sorry, no more fighting. And everyone just gives up alongside him. It’s like Millar got halfway through and didn’t know how ot end it.

    I’m sorry I have an issue at this point. Sure it was a week punch to pull so lay in the game, sure it didn’t make sense after all the speeches, but it did make sense in terms of the limited series Civil War and in terms of the character. If I had read this on its own without reading Amazing Spiderman or any of those other Civil War tie-ins I would have thought this perfectly acceptable and in a way I still do.

    For this modern age comic for a new age of readers with brand new and interesting stories coming out of this this makes logical sense for Cap, he said that Captain America isn’t turning himself in Steve Rogers is!

    Miller as seen in the Ultimates thinks that Steve Rogers is a man out of his time, therefore in this new modern age in comics the people don’t want that kind of 40s mentality they don’t want to be different and American in the sense they were then. They want to be safe so when they say you hurting us he realizes that this is not what the people want anymore he is a man from a different time with different ideals and I love him for it but this is a logical and necessary step for his character.

  76. “Here is my checklist: Quit Buying Marvel Event Bullshit, check.”

    hahahaha

  77. One thing about the retarded Civil War, Why did Spiderman change costume, is he wearing black because May dies? Cuse thats just stupid

    He’s wearing Black because of a little film called Spiderman 3. Maybe you’ve heard of it?

    🙂

  78. As CW comes to a close, I’m nursing a theory, and I think I can bring together Steve M and Aaron’s views and appreciate both with a different viewpoint, which are pretty much the “two sides” in the CW debate, here is my theory–

    Both Bendis and Millar are very good writers, and have proven that on numerous occasions. However, both have a tendency (or some might say bad habit) of throwing “universe shaking plotline continuity bombs” when they write a title. Everyone agrees Bendis left a dozen major changes in Matt Murdock’s life, and left many hanging plotlines in Daredevil for the next writer (Brubaker) to “pick up” and stich back together; However, most appreciate Bendis’ work on that book, and Daredevil does not touch that much on other parts of the Marvel U, does it?

    Most like Millar’s “The Authority” and “The Ultimates,” but many don’t like Millar’s work on CW, which again is all about “universe shattering, character major shake up” storylines.

    So do I have this right — Bendis will stay with a book for a fairly long run (DD, Powers, and Ultimate Spiderman), whereas Millar has publically stated on numerous occasions that two years is all he wants to spend on one title, before he feels “spent” of new ideas and ready for a new challenge (Authority, Ultimates, Ultimate X-Men, etc.). Is that about accurate?

    My opinion — with a title like the Ultimates or the Authority, you are working with a single title where shaking up the old traditional order and updating everything is the point, with little to no affect on a wider, established “universe” that involves multiple other titles.

    CW and Marvel U 616 is exactly the OPPOSITE of that case, and I think that writers have a certain responsiblity to both readers and other writers –No matter how good a writer someone is, no matter how great a concept, they should not leave too much of a mess for others to clean up, or should at least deliver on a major shakeup in a satisfying way.

    Or, paraphrasing Green Arrow in Identity Crisis, the big guys are always around for the big fight, but take off soon after, and leave the clean up to the “B rank,” and clean up can be a messy business, so they shouldn’t bitch when things aren’t as “pristine” as it should be when the “B rank” is only dealing with a mess left by the big boys.

    Here ithe coordinating function of EDITORIAL is essential, and they should be EDITORS not MARKETING PEOPLE (am I shouting too much?).

    I also think it seems apparent from the comments of others that Marvel Editorial has either been asleep at the switch, or too busy marketing to notice they are pissing off a number big Marvel fans. Sure Quesada “saved” Marvel for the deep financial and creatively dead hole it dug itself into in the 90s, but these things do run in cycles… I’m old enough to see many a great person go from visionary to hack, and the internet is just speeding up the process (looking at you, Mr. Byrne..)

    Or am I just blowing smoke out of my a**? Let me know what you think…

  79. Absolutely. I enjoy reading Millar’s Ultimate stories because he’s mucking with characters that aren’t the “real” characters. When I hear he’s writing Marvel Universe stories, my first instinct is “let go of my friends and get out of here.”

    I mean, he loves to wreck everything and shake it all up, but after he leaves the rest of us have to live here. I read Marvel Knights Spider-Man and Wolverine: Enemy of the State going, “What are you–? Are you really–? Oh God. Oh God, no!”

    I was an engaged reader. I’ll give them that.

  80. I enjoy some of what he’s written(i love Red Son and pre-ridiculously late Ultimates) but he writes every single character with the same voice, i.e. a lot of cool lines and posturing, and not much else. Which is ok for some stories, but EVERYTHING he writes is like that.

  81. JImski:
    Well If I was playing detective investigating an alleged crime (CW) based on witness statements (reading all the comments here and Revision3, iFanboys 3) I’ll take your tremendously authoritative gavel slam as confirmation of my theory…

    Jerome – Hmmmm, you make an interesting point. Have you heard Millar in intereviews? He’s the biggest giggle giggle pixie in the world, and I have thought I wished he would imbue his work with more of that humor the way Whedon does, rather than turn everything so dark. Also, with the Ultimates, it’s sometimes hard to distinguish where Millar is “writing” or where Hitch is “writing” — much of Banner and the whole Pym thing was conveyed through Hitch’s art, which is probably why Millar handed it over to him in the first place.

    Anyway, any writer or aritist has their strengths and weaknesses, which is one more reason not to give over the fate of an entire line of books run by multiple artists to just one writer’s universe shaking concept. I blame the editor — it’s the editor’s job to keep this kind of thing in check. I think the “coordinating function” is where Marvel has run amiss, mixing it up with marketing….

    Quesada indicted for conspiracy run amok and and criminal neglect of duties. Or as one dark night detective often asks, “who benefits?”

    Case on appeal….anyone wish to take the “CW” defense?

  82. I actually liked CW more than I didn’t. I just don’t know if I like what happens now. I picked a side, my side lost, and now I get to choose between comics about the losers being big ol’ losers and comics where the bastards that won get to be the heroes of the story.

    I’ll be very interested to see the extent to which this impacts sales. Will people continue to buy Iron Man?

  83. I’m going to, but only to keep an eye on that sneaky little fucker

  84. A couple of weeks ago when New Avengers came out with the rogue team and Thunderbolts came out I was scared.

    I talked about this on the site and people reassured me because it was interesting storytelling. That’s why Civil War is good not because of the cheap punches they pulled in it but because it achieved its purpose, that being to make more interesting stories on a grand scale and the only way you can do that is by changing the status quo.
    I like any Marvel fan love the Marvel universe and to not want anything bad to happen to my favorite characters why? (and I know this might sound harsh but it’s true) because I fear change!

    Huge changes whether in life or in books are difficult to accept, it requires balls to pull off that’s why there are no permanent comic book deaths, that?s why most characters remain unaltered writers and people fear that a big change in the character or the book will be bad.
    That’s where Mark Miller comes in that’s why he’s good for this series the man has the balls to make change and not feel bad about it no matter how much we may hate him for it.

    That’s why I will try and read Ironman for at least one issue because frankly the character hasn’t had a big character change in forever any he got boring because of it now with this change he might be a bit more interesting than before.

    I love this war it brings up such cool debates 🙂
    that’s the real magic of it.

  85. wally-

    I am coming into the conversation late, but what would I be defending Civil War against? Anyone who says it ended up being complete garbage is wrong. It had some good qualities. My favorite being that it successfully reset the dynamic of the Marvel Universe. Being a superhero is a lot more complicated now. Any decent writer can build great story from what has been established. Was Civil War itself a great story? It depends on what you like. If action and excitement is enough for you (there is nothing wrong with that, really) then this had plenty. If what you wanted was a political thriller, well CW was disappointing in that way. However the main series did have some depth to it. If you look at Tony Stark in just the main series, he wasn’t the Nazi-character most people made him out to be. Yeah, he is a government lackey now, but he genuinely believes he is going to be able to run things honestly and justly. Also there are moments when he is conflicted about what he is doing.

    I will defend Civil War against anyone who generalizes it as the worst comic book ever. However I do recognize it had plenty of faults and pieces that could have been executed in a better way.

    I read comics all the way through the 90

  86. One thing has been bugging me about Civil War 7: how does anybody know who to hit? No two people are wearing the same uniform or identifying badge. It’s not shirts vs. skins. Can you even imagine what sort of instructions the Atlantean officers had to give to the infantry? “All right, everybody settle in. Take a knee. We expect that at approximately 09:00 hours, 400 superhumans will drop out of the sky in no particular order. When I give the signal, you will charge and begin the attack against… Iron Man and… anyone who seems to be talking to Iron Man. If you see anyone high-five Iron Man, definitely hit that person.”

  87. You gotta watch those Iron Man high-fives. If he’s not payin’ attention? Repulsors, man…

  88. So wait. Who was the significant death? Was it Clor? Was it random New Yorkers? Were we lied to?

  89. So wait. Who was the significant death? Was it Clor? Was it random New Yorkers? Were we lied to?

    So far no one has been able to show anywhere online where Marvel said there would be a major death in Civil War #7. It all seems to have stemmed from fan rumors that snowballed into internet truth.

  90. They could throw it in Frontline 11 this week. Who knows? But if there’s no significant death, what’s the point of all the “Fallen Son” one shot specials?

  91. It all seems to have stemmed from fan rumors that snowballed into internet truth.

    Unless the solicits for the Fallen Son mini are out-and-out lies, the death of a “true hero” is imminent – though you’re right it was never explicitly said to come in CW #7. Now it seems as if Cap #25 will be where it happens. But we’ll see.

  92. “The Death of a True Hero” could be taken so many metaphorical ways that have nothing to do with death.

    I’d say Steve Rogers sitting in prison means that the true hero that is Captain America is dead.

  93. The defense rises, makes great points. I think the “Grand Jury” has pretty much agreed, and do many readers on the discussion boards — CW inspired compelling changes that will make for an interesting dynamic from here on in, but that the main book CW was “just OK,” a victim of too much hype, and not enough editorial oversight. How good other books are or will be seem to depend on the the writer and fan tastes — JMS seems to have few defenders, but Brubaker and David (and no doubt others) seem to have incorporated just enough of CW developments to make their books interesting and very good as time goes on, and we’ll just see. I just started on “Illuminati,” and I can already see in issue #2 the “road to civil war” in the retcon storyline, and I am (honestly) enjoying it so far, and I think Bendis will probably give me a fully satisfying pay off, totally related to the CW events.

    Personally, how I relate to CW remarks, is my experience here: I just read two books in trade, “Identity Crisis” and “The Omac Project,” and I really like one, and did not like the other, despite rave reviews. Indentity Crisis was definitely a DCU shaking “event,” but I enjoyed it in a self contained story way, good human interest storytelling in a modest by very compelling way, and my interest was peaked about what would happen in the future, and which characters I want to catch up on now, like Tim Drake and some others. If CW achieved this, it is good, but there are few that seem to think so, judging by the comments.

    “The Omac Project,” on the other hand, seemed…well, (is this heresy?) rather “eh” to “meh.” It came out of the same “event” as Identity Crisis, but-too many tie-ins with other books and other titles that seemed to “warp” space and time which seemed more like an excuse to have a crossover “event” to change the status quo for the sake of changing the status quo in a SPECTACULUR (lets sell books) way, rather than to JUST tell a good story.

    The Superman part that comes in the middle of “The Omac Project” was obviously such a bad thing, just for the sake of having a tie-in and “spectacular earth shattering events you won’t BELIEVE!” *thing* it wasn’t even included in the final Omac Project trade, even though it was pivotal to the ending. There was a page of text explaining why time suddenly went into “warp” mode for 3 issues of Superman, but all that was just “Patrick Duffy woke up in the shower in Dallas” crap.

    Totally “Is Aunt May REALLY dead this time?” kind of stuff.

    So then I read the comments about CW, I totally understand where that is coming from based on that. Again, I don’t think any one writer is to blame for anything — and even a big crossover is fine. BUT, Marvel really does need that “Office of Continuity” and also editors that act like editors, and not like Marketing, and I am sure DC fans could point to just as many crimes of that type in the DCU. All would be better served.

    Personally, I love all the discussion, because you guys and gals are like my “landmine detectors” allowing me to stay clear of overblown and over reaching crossovers (no matter which company) and cherry pick the books I want… I just don’t have the cash to feed all the event monsters, and I really wanted to enjoy The Omac Project, and I did like the part with the Blue Beatle (written by Rags Morales who did “Indentity Crisis,”) but I think Ruka’s part of it was probably ill served by DC cranking the “BUY OUR BIG CROSS OVER EVENT” machine. Probably he was too busy trying to catch up to writers of other titles and editorial mandates to make something spectacular happen with as much epic scale and shocking events as possible, never mind tight story telling (god, how I hate nanobytes — just think: “unstable molecules,” always great for covering massive plot holes).

    And I think Millar, judging by both interviews and his stories, has a pretty dark and twisted sense of humor I can appreciate, so he is probably loving every minute of all the chatter about Civil War. He’s thrown his “universe storyline continuity bomb,” generated love and hate and much heat, and probably having a good laugh. And, truth be told, many of the things that were rather “meh” or complaints on the podcast (epic city destroying battles for the sake of epic city destroying battles) could also be said about the Authority at its height….

    Does any of that make sense? I actually just bought the first post Omac Project Checkmate trade, because I think Ruka is (I hope) free enough to tell the story he wants to tell, and not worry too much about making 50 phone calls to make sure it all ties in with other titles, much like Bendis on Illuminati….

    So, final judgement: ambiguity rules, let each reader decide, and is anyone willing to defend what Marvel did to Captain America?

    And Tony Stark … seems like nobody saw that one coming…but all got the same impression…

  94. The exact wording from Marvel solicit for Fallen Son #1:

    “How will Wolverine react to the death of one the most beloved characters in the Marvel Universe?”

    I think another solicit used the phrase “true hero” – and yeah, there’s plenty of wiggle worm in both phrasings. But clearly, somone’s gonna be – choose your own ending to the sentence: (a) taking a dirt nap (b) buying the farm (c) resurrected in two years.

  95. After some reflection, I attribute some of the let’s-call-it mixed reaction to CW and #7 in particular to the fact that the status quo was really changed by the SHRA – Which was in CW#1. Almost a year ago. – and not THAT much changed, on a macro level at least, in between then and CW#7: the gov’t is still calling the shots, we still have some rebel heroes. (I know this is a simplification, to make a point.)

    My CBG actually went off on CW#7 as I was buying it, saying it was garbage and nothing changed, which is totally out of character for him. I think it may have been that it didn’t seem like too much changed during the series, since the real universe-wide change was 9 months ago, and so the new status quo doesn’t feel that new anymore. Just a thought.

  96. PV, great observation, my picks:
    (a) taking a dirt nap (to build fan expectation of his return)
    (b) buying the farm (for the sake of causing a stir, to sell books)
    (c) resurrected in two years. (I hate this sh**. Totally tiresome, DC and Marvel — for shame, for shame, for shame: I think somebody needs to deactivate that “whacky button” mentioned in a ifanboy interview, just to force writers to write good stories rather than “cop-out” with spectacular deaths everyone knows will be undone.

    I just read in one book a hero saying, “he’s been dead twice, me once, we’re used to this kind of thing being who we are.” Used to? Me: Tired of.

  97. Ok so supposing they are going to kill off someone, are we assuming its Steve Rogers? I don’t think May’s death is big enough to resonate through the Marvel U and it’s “Fallen Son” not “Fallen Gutshot Aunt”. If it’s Rogers, does Bucky take up the mantle, and who is Ronin now then? With the Captain America movie still out there as a potential franchise, I think it’d be odd to kill him off when Marvel is working so tightly between its movie franchises and its comics. I don’t really see who else it could be at this point, though. Any other ideas?

  98. Captain America won’t die, and Aunt May will be resurrected if she does die, or maybe they’ll resurrect Cap?

    I’m going to go out on a limb, and make a wild speculation, even though I haven’t read the books in question:

    Ronin is Steve Rogers, and if the two were in the same place at the same time, it was somebody intentionally wearing the mask to divert suspicion. And any other problems explaining how Cap did this?

    “Unstable molecules.”

    Ronin, in the true Japanese sense of the word–masterless samurai, who has gone “rogue” because he was either left without a master who died, or abandoned by a dishonorable master who lacks a proper sense of duty to his retainers.

    Now, who does that sound like?

  99. Oh, and Japanese ronin, further defined:

    Usually viewed by others as someone who has departed from the acceptable order imposed on society to enforce good decorum and a sense of proper behavior, usually dictated from above.

    Ringing any bells yet?

  100. Wait, it happened already. They killed Typeface in the past issue if Front Line and it got all mixed yup in the delays. Duh.

  101. Aunt May should become the new Ghost Rider.

  102. Aunt May is Ronin.

    You heard it here first!

  103. Aunt May is Ronin.

    You heard it here first!

    that made me spit out my drink, which is one of the highest accomplishments at iFanboy HQ – Bravo!

  104. She’s already been Iron Man for a day.

    (Thanks, JMS!)

  105. I think most of the bad feelings from Civil War stem from the shipping issues; as an event, it’s about what I think anybody could have expected. It wasn’t gonna be a seminal work of sequential art, but we all knew that going in. It was provocative and action-packed. It shook things up for future storytelling. It had heroes punching on heroes. I’m satisfied.
    Sure, it could have been done better; I don’t completely understand how Namor ordered his troops or why Clor was such a wuss the second time around. But I guess at the point that I accepted that the clone of a Norse god was fighting a Greek demigod in Manhattan, I was willing to give a bit of ground. (I’d argue the problems people have with characterizations, but I’m already feeling long-winded.)
    Solid, B+ story in my book, bumped higher depending on what comes out of it.

    Completely unrelated, but why do you say Crisis is the best comic event, Conor? I’m a DC-lite fan, but I know enough to get by. I tried to read it and was just flabbergasted.

  106. Completely unrelated, but why do you say Crisis is the best comic event, Conor? I’m a DC-lite fan, but I know enough to get by. I tried to read it and was just flabbergasted.

    It was the first big event. The one that started it all. It took an unwieldy and unsustainable multiverse (that appears to be on the way back!) and condensed it brilliantly into one universe, rebooting their heroes for the modern (at the time) age. Plus it featured the death of Barry Allen, amazing art by George Perez and a story by Marv Wolfman that requires absolutely zero outside reading.

  107. Three days ago I buried my copy of ASM in my backyard.

    Two days ago I covered it with a brick.

    Yesterday it snowed.

    Today I walked out back and discovered the grave was empty.

    The neighbor’s chinchilla is missing.

  108. Sure, it could have been done better; I don’t completely understand how Namor ordered his troops or why Clor was such a wuss the second time around.

    The first time Clone Thor was used, he murdered a guy. They adjusted him; they overcompensated; now he’s a wuss.

    But that’s sort of me doing the writer’s job.

    You know, Crisis was coming out right as I was beginning to read comics, and the density of it lost me for DC probably forever. I still remember my friend explaining it to me, all the different earths and all the old stories not “counting” anymore, and thinking, “Man, this makes the whole symbiote costume thing sound positively lucid.” Or whatever the 10-year-old equivalent of that thought would be. Maybe now I’m old enough to revisit it.

  109. I tried to read Crisis about 6 months ago.

    Didn’t make it. It’s the densest, most pointless dialog laden thing I’ve ever seen.

    Pretty pictures though.

  110. I tried to read Crisis about 6 months ago.

    Didn’t make it. It’s the densest, most pointless dialog laden thing I’ve ever seen.

    When I was a kid, Crisis and Secret War are what turned me into a hardcore fanboy, despite the fact that Crisis made almost no sense. I tried to reread it when the TPB came out in softcover, but I didn’t make it through. That dialogue… WHOOF! In it’s own time, though, incredible!

  111. And I don’t doubt that. I’m sure I would have thought it was the greatest thing ever back then.

  112. I’ve decided: I am really not an “event” person, and I am really distressed out how we barely get of one “event” only to be entering the “countdown” for another…. I think the word “countdown” should be banned by the editor–force the copy writers to show a little f***ing creativity. When both Marvel and DC are using “countdown to…” then it’s time to cry foul.

    I just read Ruka’s Checkmate (first trade) right after reading Ruka’s The Omac Project, both by the same writer (or so they say). The difference is incredible, and as I predicted, Checkmate was much better for me. Maybe an event sets all the toys up that writers can later play with down the road, but I’ll read that on Wikipedia, because Ruka on Checkmate is good example of a writer not “caught in a crisis event” and free to just write his own story without having to consult a dozen editors and all that.

    Besides that, I think the CW discussion is just showing that some prefer more well written character interaction, whereas more prefer a big spectacle of a fight scene. Of course the best books incorporate both well, but everyboy probably leans towards one or the other side of this “talk vs. fight” scale — hence maybe the reaction to the last two issues of Illuminati — I liked the second one, others are wondering where all the big actions scenes are that they liked in the first one.

    Granted, too simplistic of a division, but some will give ground on a story making sense as long as they get big fight action, whereas others are less willing to ignore plot holes just because there is a big fight scene.

    And for the record? Jeff, I think cackling and crackling Aunt May burning in a leather jacket on a big ‘ol Harley would be COOL. Aunt May: Ghost Rider… I like that, very high concept…

    I think I am going to retire to a Buddhist temple and meditate on all this… do you think I could get my comics mailed there? The ones with the long talk sessions ending in a really cool FIGHT scene….

  113. Aunt May is Ronin.

    You heard it here first!

    That’s so sweet! I’ve been waiting to hear her yell “Yo Cage” for years!

  114. “Today I walked out back and discovered the grave was empty.
    The neighbor’s chinchilla is missing.”

    Paper, I’ve been following your case with great interest in the discussion threads, was sceptical of the different suggestions and methods to put this one to rest properly, and as someone who is a bit versed in this kind of thing, I have one thing to say:

    Dude, you’re f***ed. Just thought I’d share that before going back to revive Christopher Lee. Most think he never died, so please keep that to yourself…

  115. Okay, here is a completely random nitpick about the last issue of Civil War. During Mr. Fantastic’s epilogue thing, the couple of panels where Luke Cage is lounging around at Secret/New Avengers HQ, smiling wide, he compliments Spider-man on the return of the black costume. Then Spidey seems to enthusiastically thank Cage for the comment. WTF?!?! They just lost the war! Not only did they loose, but it was a surrender, and they were winning. Cap has been arrested and is being taken to a government prison. If Spidey is in black I assume then it is after Aunt May has been shot. I am not buying they would be very cheery that soon. Whatever. I just had to get that off my chest.

  116. I agree, Dave. Even the last New Avengers showed them a lot more cheerful than you’d think for just ending up on the losing side of Civil War, being on the lam and especially Spiderman as Aunt May must have just been shot when it took place. I’d love to see a printing error ala Curb your Enthusiasm regarding Aunt May.

  117. …and this is why I hate big crossover “events.”

  118. Actually, in New Avengers I could understand their attitudes. There was a, “Stick to the plan,” comment and a reluctance to banter on Iron Fist’s part. Luke and Spidey were cracking jokes but that could have been a front to keep morale up. So I can excuse the jovial spirit of New Avengers. However in Civil War we just saw them put handcuffs around Cap’s wrists. It seemed odd to me that we would be given a scene with genuinely happy emotions right after the events that occured. I don’t know what Millar was going for there.

  119. Maybe, there was more intended by the tone than he could confer in a word balloon. I mean, Spider-Man has always made jokes when thing were at their worst. Always. Lately, JMS made him a gloombot, but imagine he said that line under his breath, or with a monotone, or in someway that actually showed how they feel. You can look at that as a strength or a weakness of the medium, because it’s open to interpretation.

  120. Here is something good for a couple laughs.

    http://mightygodking.livejournal.com/298916.html#cutid1

  121. good points. But would any of you go up to someone dressed all in back due whom is in mourning and say, “Cool costume.” or whatever it was Cage said? That seems more appropriate if Peter is just changing his costume to change it.

  122. Well, people do say dumb shit all the time at bad times. It’s something I’m intimately familiar with.

    But also, frankly, it’s comic books. I mean, if it was like real life….you get my point. Comics require more banter than real life. It’s one of their immutable physical laws.

  123. Maybe the death in Fallen is Cap getting executed for his ‘crimes’. The Registration Act is loosely modeled on the Patriot Act, and since ‘federal’ officers like Jack O’Lantern were killed by Cap’s guys, maybe they execute him.

    Why do I care? They suck. Civil War Sucks.

    Free Cap!

  124. …and this is why I hate big crossover “events.”

    I just spent like three hours trying reading text (in comics) trying to catch up to whatever this or that even… Urgh. I read Checkmate, Bendis’ Daredevil, and Brubaker’s Captain America and didn’t give a toss about who was there because of whatever big “event” that was occuring. And small things were conveyed expertly using combination of pictures and text – good comics. And even references to “event” events were conveyed with little effort and great ease, and blended well with both characters and story.

    “Comics require more banter than real life. It’s one of their immutable physical laws.”

    Poo Poo. Look at the Ultimates and what went down with Hank Pym and Janet, the famous “you made me look so small” line. This is Millar working well with Hitch to really get across something pretty powerful in word and picture. If people are scratching their heads and not feeling like something is right, either the writer and artist failed in what they were trying to convey, or (more likely) all the artists and writers at Marvel are so busy trying to match this and that to whatever “event” is “shaking up the Marvel Universe” and the latest Spiderman movie advertising “synergy,” they have no time for decent writing.

    So poo poo on phony excuses, neither Black Bolt, Lockjaw, nor even Hawkeye would approve. By the way, Happy Birthday Josh, it is now February 28th in Japan. Did you notice you’re totally blowing away the competition on the “Hot Geek Heat” thing? Just when you thought you were over the hill… and winning popularity contests don’t give you no right to make excuses for low standards, aren’t you from Maine?

    (lost initial lead, still more than 10% and over twice the votes of second place at the time I write this, must be the voice work, as Augie commented)

    (And don’t try that pretend like you ain’t noticed, you young whipper snapper…)

  125. Good show guys,

    I was surprised to hear none of you have read Point Blank. You rave about Bru all the time, read it! Especially if you love Sleeper. It adds some fantastic details and really makes you see how bad ass Tao is.

    But you do have to read the whole thing.

  126. OK, fine, done. I added it to my wishlist, and I’ll get it in the next week or so.

  127. Hey Guys- I cannot get the podcast to download for some reason this week. Any suggestions on where else I can download it from? I have tried a few of your other podcast sites!!

  128. You can directly download it from here:

    http://www.ifanboy.com/archive/weblog/ifanboy_pick_of_2.html

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