AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #573
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I suppose I should prefix this with something of a confession. Since the beginning of the year and the start of the Brand New Day canon, I was one of the naysayers who decried the change as unnecessary and unwanted. I wasn't exactly ecstatic about the book pre-OMD but I thought Quesada and crew were looking at the wrong thing as the thing wrong with the book. Of all the things I found wrong with the book, the unmasking and the marriage were not among them. Thus, when Brand New Day rolled out, I only passively read it from the hands of friends and such before it fell out of my gaze completely. The book lost all gravitas and resonance with me at that point and I scarcely looked back since.
Then Jimski's article about a month or so back about the subject came up. Typically, I don't autonomously wax on about my distaste for the new direction anymore, but the book was a case of out of sight, out of mind for me. Nevertheless, people kept clamoring about this new arc, "New Ways to Die" and how good it was. Romita, the most iconic artist of Spider-Man over the last fifteen years, was back. Norman Osborn, not seen in a Spidey book since the Marvel Knights days, was returning with Bullseye and Venom in tow, finally giving Amazing Spider-Man a classic foe to battle in years. I figured if I'm going to speak ill of the book, I should at least give examples less than eight months old. And I might even like the story. Thus, I bit the bullet and went out and grabbed the back issues of the arc and read. And then, in the interest of giving the story its fair shot, today I bought the last issue. And now I sit to give my take not just of this issue, but the arc as a whole.
My verdict? Meh. There were good things and bad but overall, I really wasn't impressed with the story, especially not enough to keep reading. In all honesty, there's no reason Amazing Spider-Man should be any less in quality than Captain America or Green Lantern or Invincible. The character is a truly iconic, incredibly engaging one yet it feels as though Marvel is floundering on how to continue to make the book great again. It's clear to me they feel a book more in tone with the golden years, the late sixties and seventies, is the way to go, but for my perspective, it just feels hollow and inorganic.
A few points I noticed about this story:
* While the thing I cringed about most before hand, Anti-Venom was actually pulled off somewhat well, at least better than I expected. The inverted colors and "Anti-" motif sounded very silly and unimaginative at first glance yet the inclusion of Mr. Negative into the framework made it a little less hard to swallow. The idea of Brock as a hero seeking redemption isn't a new one yet it still has something about it.
* On the other hand, the other big selling point, the return of Norman Osborn from the purgatory of the Thunderbolts fell flat on its face in my opinion. Norman no longer knows Peter is Spider-Man due to the acts of Mephisto, which all but neuters much of the Goblin's threat level. Much of Norman's threat came in the fact that he knew Spider-Man inside and out and could at any point inflict another attack upon him and his loved ones. Here, the intense personal conflict is gone: Norman is just another mad stock villain (or government agent now) gunning for a faceless, nameless foe. Norman might be flanked by the Thunderbolts but it doesn't substitute his lack of gravitas as Spidey's numero uno.
* While on the subject of Norman, I should also point that I found particularly his and,to a lesser extent, everyone's dialogue a little stale and a little stiff. Norman especially sounded a lo like a bad Saturday morning cartoon villain rather than the sinister and cunning madman he typically is, using way too many exclamations and too many monologue moments. Bullseye's homogenized pseudo-profanity in a few scenes was painful, too. Also, some of Harry's dialogue is a little rough, especially during his angsty moods. Anti-Venom gets a little groan-worthy as well. I understand a lot of the dialogue to supposed to invoke the seventies era of the book when it was at its peak, but that kind of exposition and emoting simply doesn't wash in 2008 for me.
* I'm supposed to think Menace is Harry Osborn, right? The mutual anger at Norman's obsession with Spider-Man? The use of Goblin weaponry? The very clear "dark side" Harry is showing here? The sly bits of dialogue ("And whose little boy might you be?")? The mutual need to push things one way or another politically? The wanting to "help" Hollister? I'm not the only one seeing this, right? Is this a big red herring or is Slott just being that obvious with it all?
* I might get burned for this, but I don't think this story is going to be listed among JRJR's best stuff. His Ven-orpion suit is a little underwhelming and his rendition of the Goblin is kind of a disappointment (look at the cover of Peter Parker: Spider-Man #75 for a truly realized Romita-penned Goblin. Still, overall, I think his work here was good enough to warrant a four. A lesser Romita page is still a Romita page, after all.
* I also had some problems with the internal logic of some things such as troops hitting Spider-Man and Bullseye both with these bullets center-mass with them pretty much okay and still live or why Bullseye is shackled up for half the arc in the chopper and base yet later, Norman just lets him chill free in the briefing room and nobody bothers to re-shackle him after his mission is over in this last issue. Granted, they're small problems, but I'd expect a little more consistency and thoughtfulness in these things.
* Some of the action was somewhat underwhelming. I've anticipated a good Bullseye/Spider-Man fight for a long time and to say I was disappointed is a slight understatement. The fight lacked any real threat and felt more like a dance than a battle which I think might be attributed to the "light" nature of the book these days. Still, between this and the Goblin battles (against both Menace and Spidey), I was really hoping for some good slobberknockers and felt a little cheated.
* So as not to say I hated the story out right, there were moments I enjoyed. Some of the humor (such as Vin accusing Peter of a rowdy party after the T-Bolts thrashed the place) was well done. There were moments of the older, more conniving Norman underneath the overly giggly and non-threatening one. After a few years of suffering comic limbo, somebody finally decided what to do with a Venom-less Brock. The idea that all is not what it seems with Harry is an interesting one and one that tickles my curiosity even if that tickle isn't enough to keep me buying. And, even with a few design missteps, Romita is still the storyteller supreme of comic book art.
All in all, the book's good and bad mix together to make something qualitatively uneven. It seems like the book is attempting to be something it hasn't been in years and really shouldn't. The result to me shows a book attempting to recapture the glory days yet becoming something that comes across more cheesy and light than it should. It seems to have lost that edge and tension that the book had even during the worst points of the last 20 years, that maturity and weight that makes Green Lantern, Captain America, and All-Star Superman such engaging reads. Obviously, many others really like this title as it is today and I can appreciate that yet I find myself somewhat disappointed with the Spider-Man of today. I would have liked to say this story was pretty good and something I enjoyed throughly after writing this book off yet, alas, I found myself more yawning than anything. Hopefully, I'll feel different in the future, but I'm not going to be holding my breath.
Then Jimski's article about a month or so back about the subject came up. Typically, I don't autonomously wax on about my distaste for the new direction anymore, but the book was a case of out of sight, out of mind for me. Nevertheless, people kept clamoring about this new arc, "New Ways to Die" and how good it was. Romita, the most iconic artist of Spider-Man over the last fifteen years, was back. Norman Osborn, not seen in a Spidey book since the Marvel Knights days, was returning with Bullseye and Venom in tow, finally giving Amazing Spider-Man a classic foe to battle in years. I figured if I'm going to speak ill of the book, I should at least give examples less than eight months old. And I might even like the story. Thus, I bit the bullet and went out and grabbed the back issues of the arc and read. And then, in the interest of giving the story its fair shot, today I bought the last issue. And now I sit to give my take not just of this issue, but the arc as a whole.
My verdict? Meh. There were good things and bad but overall, I really wasn't impressed with the story, especially not enough to keep reading. In all honesty, there's no reason Amazing Spider-Man should be any less in quality than Captain America or Green Lantern or Invincible. The character is a truly iconic, incredibly engaging one yet it feels as though Marvel is floundering on how to continue to make the book great again. It's clear to me they feel a book more in tone with the golden years, the late sixties and seventies, is the way to go, but for my perspective, it just feels hollow and inorganic.
A few points I noticed about this story:
* While the thing I cringed about most before hand, Anti-Venom was actually pulled off somewhat well, at least better than I expected. The inverted colors and "Anti-" motif sounded very silly and unimaginative at first glance yet the inclusion of Mr. Negative into the framework made it a little less hard to swallow. The idea of Brock as a hero seeking redemption isn't a new one yet it still has something about it.
* On the other hand, the other big selling point, the return of Norman Osborn from the purgatory of the Thunderbolts fell flat on its face in my opinion. Norman no longer knows Peter is Spider-Man due to the acts of Mephisto, which all but neuters much of the Goblin's threat level. Much of Norman's threat came in the fact that he knew Spider-Man inside and out and could at any point inflict another attack upon him and his loved ones. Here, the intense personal conflict is gone: Norman is just another mad stock villain (or government agent now) gunning for a faceless, nameless foe. Norman might be flanked by the Thunderbolts but it doesn't substitute his lack of gravitas as Spidey's numero uno.
* While on the subject of Norman, I should also point that I found particularly his and,to a lesser extent, everyone's dialogue a little stale and a little stiff. Norman especially sounded a lo like a bad Saturday morning cartoon villain rather than the sinister and cunning madman he typically is, using way too many exclamations and too many monologue moments. Bullseye's homogenized pseudo-profanity in a few scenes was painful, too. Also, some of Harry's dialogue is a little rough, especially during his angsty moods. Anti-Venom gets a little groan-worthy as well. I understand a lot of the dialogue to supposed to invoke the seventies era of the book when it was at its peak, but that kind of exposition and emoting simply doesn't wash in 2008 for me.
* I'm supposed to think Menace is Harry Osborn, right? The mutual anger at Norman's obsession with Spider-Man? The use of Goblin weaponry? The very clear "dark side" Harry is showing here? The sly bits of dialogue ("And whose little boy might you be?")? The mutual need to push things one way or another politically? The wanting to "help" Hollister? I'm not the only one seeing this, right? Is this a big red herring or is Slott just being that obvious with it all?
* I might get burned for this, but I don't think this story is going to be listed among JRJR's best stuff. His Ven-orpion suit is a little underwhelming and his rendition of the Goblin is kind of a disappointment (look at the cover of Peter Parker: Spider-Man #75 for a truly realized Romita-penned Goblin. Still, overall, I think his work here was good enough to warrant a four. A lesser Romita page is still a Romita page, after all.
* I also had some problems with the internal logic of some things such as troops hitting Spider-Man and Bullseye both with these bullets center-mass with them pretty much okay and still live or why Bullseye is shackled up for half the arc in the chopper and base yet later, Norman just lets him chill free in the briefing room and nobody bothers to re-shackle him after his mission is over in this last issue. Granted, they're small problems, but I'd expect a little more consistency and thoughtfulness in these things.
* Some of the action was somewhat underwhelming. I've anticipated a good Bullseye/Spider-Man fight for a long time and to say I was disappointed is a slight understatement. The fight lacked any real threat and felt more like a dance than a battle which I think might be attributed to the "light" nature of the book these days. Still, between this and the Goblin battles (against both Menace and Spidey), I was really hoping for some good slobberknockers and felt a little cheated.
* So as not to say I hated the story out right, there were moments I enjoyed. Some of the humor (such as Vin accusing Peter of a rowdy party after the T-Bolts thrashed the place) was well done. There were moments of the older, more conniving Norman underneath the overly giggly and non-threatening one. After a few years of suffering comic limbo, somebody finally decided what to do with a Venom-less Brock. The idea that all is not what it seems with Harry is an interesting one and one that tickles my curiosity even if that tickle isn't enough to keep me buying. And, even with a few design missteps, Romita is still the storyteller supreme of comic book art.
All in all, the book's good and bad mix together to make something qualitatively uneven. It seems like the book is attempting to be something it hasn't been in years and really shouldn't. The result to me shows a book attempting to recapture the glory days yet becoming something that comes across more cheesy and light than it should. It seems to have lost that edge and tension that the book had even during the worst points of the last 20 years, that maturity and weight that makes Green Lantern, Captain America, and All-Star Superman such engaging reads. Obviously, many others really like this title as it is today and I can appreciate that yet I find myself somewhat disappointed with the Spider-Man of today. I would have liked to say this story was pretty good and something I enjoyed throughly after writing this book off yet, alas, I found myself more yawning than anything. Hopefully, I'll feel different in the future, but I'm not going to be holding my breath.
Story: 2 - Average
Art: 4 - Very Good
Art: 4 - Very Good
I like the precise criticism in this review. It’s a well formulated opinion.
I’ve been blasting this book for months and I never have said the problems of this so charming like you did Tork. Great review!
All the points you make are good ones and this whole ‘New Ways to Die’ was just a waste of 5 issues. I’m sure people for BND like Jimski and Conor will say otherwise; but we all know the truth. So far nothing from this new *cough*notarecon*cough* Spider-Man has been very tame and boring.
@TheNextChampion – Yeah, the book averaged a 4.2 rating out of 5. But it’s all of us who like it who are wrong. Riiiiight.
@Conor: Sites like ign, newsarama, and others have complained about this comic and this recent arc….Your like the only one I know who even liked this ‘New Ways to Die’ Arc.
I guess you’ll say it’s teriffic and worth buying in trade on the podcast…Which is good cause sales for single issues have gone down considerably cause a ton of people have dropped this book. Oh and one more thing:
Tork gives complaints about this book and you dont care. But when I give complaints on it, you immeditaly go on the defensive and try to make me look like an idiot. Do I like spark a nerve or something? It’s like you’ve never heard of someone hating a series before.
I just want to point out before this becomes a thing that, while I don’t particularly understand the praise some are giving to this book, I’m okay with it. I certainly didn’t think it was all that great but if Conor thinks otherwise, I’m cool with that.
@TNC – I’m really not on the defensive. I just think it’s ridculous that you think no one likes this book when the math on the site says the exact opposite.
Boooring!
Heh.
Always enjoy your reviews, thanks for all the thoughts. I guess some of it is a matter of taste because I have been loving BND, especially this story arc…
Things I like…
My favorite thing about spidey books has always been the rich supporting cast and subplots. Using the 3x a month format they are able to develop these characters as they haven’t in the past. I enjoyed the new developments with the osborns in this arc and look forward to more of the harry/peter/lily triangle and relationship development. Glad to see eddie brock back and looking forward to more anti-venom stories. Can’t wait for Flash next week!
Overall tone – I love slott’s writing and I think his spidey dialogue is always great. He always has a couple lines that make me laugh in every issue, and my 14 year old son thinks this book is hilarious. I had gotten tired of the depressing JMS tone in the back in black period and I really enjoy the more light-hearted feel.
Artists – amazing throughout the series – JR jr was great in these last 6 issues and mcniven/kitsen/mckone/Jimenez/Martin have been terrific.
Things I don’t like from BND…
Uneven quality – while I feel this last issue and arc have been terrific, I will certainly admit that with 4 different writers some of the stories have been lacking (Bob Gale’s freak stories for example).
Continued reference to OMD without any closure – while it doesn’t bother me as much as some people, I am constantly surprised that they continue referring to and building stories on the OMD storyline and don’t know why they don’t just move on – there are clearly lots of other stories to tell.
That’s valid. I’m not saying Spider-Man should be dark or depressing beyond the occasional Kraven’s Last Hunt/Sin Eater level story– one of my favorite ASM stories of the last few years was the Hydra/New Avengers story which was kind of humourous and silly in a lot of places– but I think the book lost some weight in the retcon, particularly in the level of danger. In my opinion, when Bullseye shows up, it should be intense because Bullseye is an intense character. Likewise, Norman Osborn should be psychologically terrifying. A lot of the reason Osborn’s been such a major force is because he can get into Peter’s head and pull out all these horrific things out of it. Here, neither felt very scary or threatening at all and I think that’s my major problem here, the lack of weight in the story. I don’t feel emotionally pulled like I do Green Lantern or Captain America because I never feel Spidey’s in danger.
@Tork: Exactely, that is my major problem with this whole arc. I am suppose to feel danger is afoot when I see Norman or feel scared when the Thunderbolts show up. Instead, thanks to the recon, Norman is not terrifying and feels like another bumbling villain. Plus (not because of the recon), the Thunderbolts werent scary at all; hell half of the team felt like idiots when it comes to fighting. Only Bullseye and Venom had any impact on Spider-Man, and even then they got taken out way to easily.
@chrischurch: Another good point too, why are these writers pointing out the new facets of BND so much? I understand the first arc or two getting us into a new job, new characters, and new villains…But we’re 8 months in, we shouldnt be hammered on how different Peter’s life is now. It felt like half of this arc was ‘Spidey fighting the Thunderbolts’ and the other half was ‘Peter on another crazy romp threw BND’. Either move on and give us better writing, or keep making the writers remind us about OMD and get us all pissed off.
It isnt gonna change any time soon; Flash Thompson is the next exciting issue for ASM. I’m sure we’ll get hammered on how different his life is from a year ago. *sigh*
@champion. I coulda sworn I had seen that you haven’t been reading this arc, or even BND. How can you honestly criticize a book you aren’t reading. Just going off of stuff you heard isn’t very valid. Sorry man, just seems like slander for slanders sake. I could be wrong.
@Anson: I’ve reviewed the second or third issue of this arc and I said in the forums I bought all the trades and back issues of this BND.
Totally made me broke but I wanted to see just how great this new run really is. In the short answer: This BND is totally disappointing.
@ Champ. Thanks for lettin’ me know. Musta missed it.