Special Edition Podcast

03.13.2009 – ‘Wonder Woman’

Show Notes

03.13.2009 – Staff Writers Paul Montgomery and Sonia Harris join Conor Kilpatrick to talk Wonder Woman, the latest DCUniverse Animated Original Movie from producer Bruce Timm.  Is this fourth release the best one yet?  And will a Nathan Fillion lovefest randomly break out in the middle?  There’s only one way to find out!

Total Running Time – 00:25:20


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  1. Paul!?

    Sonia!?

    Nathan Fillion!!!!

    This might be the best podcast ever! Damn you itunes and your slow downloading!!

  2. Invisible plane didn’t work, but otherwise pretty good!  Can’t wait to listen.

  3. Paul Montgomery PaulMontgomery (@fuzzytypewriter) says:

    Invisible jet worked.  The end.  

  4. Conor Kilpatrick conor (@cskilpatrick) says:

    The Invisible Jet rules!

  5. Megnolia Megnolia says:

    I’m so excited for this movie! Can’t wait to hear what ya’ll have to say about it.

  6. Yes, it indeed does rule, but in the context of the story it makes no sense.  Greek mythology and riding horses and then all of the sudden there’s an invisible jet?  That would be like Perseus using a chainsaw on Medusa in "Clash of the Titans".  On second thought, that would have been kinda cool.

  7. Paul Montgomery PaulMontgomery (@fuzzytypewriter) says:

    It’s made of the same material that cloaks the island.  It loosely mimics the jet Steve was flying.  Most of all. I’m impressed that they didn’t attempt to explain it, which is a common screenwriting mistake. No need to oversell it.  

  8. jmstump jmstump says:

    I was glad that they didn’t try to explain it either, it would have detracted from the overall story.  Which as we all know was awesome.  Invisible Jet w/o explination FTW!

  9. Minor quibble.  I just kind of laughed when I saw it.  There’s a lot of things about the WW mythos that are kooky.

    The best thing about this is that it proves to me that a live-action WW can be done. 

  10. drakedangerz drakedangerz says:

    You jest, but you totally want an invisble jet of your own

  11. I know what you mean about it seeming out of place but I got this feeling when I was watching like she copied the shape of the plane he crashed in.  Knowing that it’s a "morphing crystal" that can take whatever shape the user wants is how I worked it out in my mind for this story.

  12. gamboa1047 gamboa1047 says:

    Hey everyone quick question. When Steve Trevor flies the jet in the end of the movie to go after the nuke and he is leaving the battle in Washington DC, why are the dragon like creatures attacking the "invisible" plane?

    Any ways other than that, I really liked the movie. Oh and Conor you gotta watch that first season of Justice League unlimited.  That was really good too.

     

     

     

  13. Well my guess would be since there is no reference to it being an alien gift…it was mystically based and they could see it????

  14. Paul Montgomery PaulMontgomery (@fuzzytypewriter) says:

    @gamboa1047 – Smell.  

  15. @PaulMontgomery – Oh, your right I didn’t notice their eyes were closed :)   I also missed the line about the plane being made of the same meterial that hid the island.  I’ll pay more attention.

  16. Paul Montgomery PaulMontgomery (@fuzzytypewriter) says:

    They didn’t actually say it was the same material.  But it’s the same idea.  My point was that they DON’T explain this explicitly, but there are enough visual clues that, if you needed an explanation, you can find one.  

  17. Tork Tork says:

    I thought the movie was based on Gods & Mortals.  I know that story has Ares as the main villain and that’s where the rape of Hippolyta happens (though it was from Hercules/Heracles).  Ah, well, I’ll take your word for it.

  18. Conor Kilpatrick conor (@cskilpatrick) says:

    @Tork: In some ways it is very similar to "Gods & Mortals" and in some ways it is very, very different.

  19. Superyan Superyan says:

    sweet!  i was going to ask you guys if you were going to cover this movie…  I thought it was pretty awesome!  I can’t wait to listen to the podcast for your thoughts!

  20. Gabe Gabe says:

    I heard the first cut got an r rating.  I want to see that cut.

  21. I’d be interested to hear what you guys would think about The Hulk vs. movie.  I have it Netflixed.

  22. Thanks for this review! I really liked the film also! I snagged on the invisible plane and that WW couldn’t fly. But that’s very minor. The zombies struck me as uber-cheesy. Great movie overall!

    I loved the scene in the invisible jet where Steve is confessing to WW about how his whole flirting with women is just a macho front then "Why am I telling you all this?" and he sees his foot is in the lasso of truth then "I hope you never mass produce this thing." Good stuff!

  23. Conor Kilpatrick conor (@cskilpatrick) says:

    @ultimatehoratio: Here you go.

  24. @conor

    You know what’s sad?  I’ve already read the article and all the comments.  My memory is poop.  My girlfriend was scolding me just this morning for not remembering our conversation from the night before.  I told her she was exaggerating about my poor memory. 

    I’m not going to tell her about this.

  25. Paul Montgomery PaulMontgomery (@fuzzytypewriter) says:

    A couple people have been having memory issues with that particular article.  

    "Hey, did you see the Hulk Vs. dvd?"

    "Oh, yeah.  I think I caught that. Just before reviewing it." 

  26. Conor Kilpatrick conor (@cskilpatrick) says:

    You know what… I’m very busy.  I can’t remember everything!

  27. Im really not a big Wonder Woman fan but I loved this, I think it has raised the bar set by Superman Doomsday(I thought New frontier was okay but an unnecessary watered down and had average animation, and Gotham Knight sucked) for these DC DTV’s and Im really excited for the upcoming Green Lantern DVD

  28. Paul Montgomery PaulMontgomery (@fuzzytypewriter) says:

    I am…worried about the Green Lantern project.  We’ll see though.  

  29. @Paul: Given the track record for DC animated films, I’m not worried in the slightest for GL.

    Although when I think Meloni…I dont think Jordan. Maybe a Guy Gardner, but that’s stretching it.

  30. robbydzwonar robbydzwonar says:

    I just might check this Wonder Woman out. I’m never been a fan really, but what the hell.

  31. nomadikk nomadikk says:

    I’ve never read Wonder Woman, but I picked this up because both Marvel and DC have been really impressing me with their direct to dvd movies. Wonder Woman was really great, I really loved the humor and dialogue in particular. Yes, I was questioning the invisible jet business too. I also was curious why Steve Trevor didn’t have a nervous breakdown when he is introduced to an invisible island of women, lasoo of truth, Gods and Goddesses, invisible jet, etc, etc. I know I’d  be in shock! But other than minor minor stuff, overall, I was pretty impressed!

     

  32. soniaharris soniaharris says:

    @DarkKnightDetective Why didn’t you like Gotham Knight? Am I the only person that liked it?

  33. Conor Kilpatrick conor (@cskilpatrick) says:

    @sonia: I liked most of it.  Anthologies are going to be hit or miss.

  34. drakedangerz drakedangerz says:

    I have yet to see Gotham Knight, but have also heard mixed things.  Superman: Doomsday was…alright.  So far New Frontier is my favorite, but Wonder Woman is officially next on the Netflix queue.

    And not to get too off-topic, but I enjoyed Batman Beyond: The Return of the Joker.

  35. For those of you on the fence about this WW movie I’ll second Conor, give it a shot.

    BTW, how do you embed links in comments?

  36. edward says:

    does the world really need a live action wonderwoman movie?

  37. Conor Kilpatrick conor (@cskilpatrick) says:

    @edward: Sure, why not?  It needs a Wonder Woman movie no more or less than it needs any other movie.

  38. chlop chlop says:

    @Gabe – just a crotch shot when she’s in the jet, and an awkward scene when she gets bored and starts playing jump rope. Not worth the 100$ burnt copy DVD from the guy with the fake mustache and glasses.

  39. GTOMessiah GTOMessiah says:

    The plot of the movie is based loosely on George Perez‘ reboot of the character, specifically the "Gods and Mortals" arc that started the character’s second volume back in 1987. – Wiki

  40. As good as these WB direct-to-dvd animated films have been, none of them are even close to being as good as Justice League Unlimited.

  41. Paul Montgomery PaulMontgomery (@fuzzytypewriter) says:

    I love JLU, but I feel like this one is at that level or damned close.  

  42. jmstump jmstump says:

    I agree with Paul, this was the first time I felt one of the direct DVDs came close.

    @Sonia: you’re not the only one I enjoyed Gotham Knight quite a bit.  Although I may be slightly biased because I love Kevin Conroy as Batman so much.

  43. Conor Kilpatrick conor (@cskilpatrick) says:

    @GTOMessiah: It’s very, very, very loosely based, and certainly not an adaptation of that story.

    @jstump: Heh, I thought that using Kevin Conroy was one of the worst things about GOTHAM KNIGHTS.

  44. DaveCarr DaveCarr says:

    Maybe it’s Jusr Sonia’Accent, but  when she said I"If ypu’re going to have rape and murder.." my mind jumed to that Sene in Clue where cop goes: I’ll arrest you for obsturction of justive, kidnapping amd murder! Tim Curry: Murder?

    Also, I enjoyed this movie and the story beats totally suggested a full feature film. The Artemis subplot was awesome I wanted more of her. 

    If I had a quibble, it would be that I thought Hippolyt let Diana go a little too easily after she won the tournament.  Also, the little girl in the park scene was way too didactic.

  45. muddi900 says:

    Looks like your wish has come true. the movie after green lantern is going to be from a Superman/Batman comic story :

    http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2009/03/supermanbatman-confirmed-as-next-dc-animated-movie/comment-page-1/#comment-7234

  46. DarthDuck DarthDuck says:

    muddi stole my thunder, but I also heard that the next DC animated movie will be the first arc of Superman/Batman from Loeb and McGuinness.

  47. Conor Kilpatrick conor (@cskilpatrick) says:

    Like I said on the show, I’m not going to assume anything until production starts.  NEW TEEN TITANS: THE JUDAS CONTRACT was confirmed as the third movie, and we all know how that turned out.

  48. edward says:

    so is the judas contract not happening? balls!

  49. It’s the 5th, Brainiac Attacks was the first, it released a few months after JLU was over.

  50. Tork Tork says:

    Nobody counts Brainiac Attacks.  Because it was intensely lame.

  51. Conor Kilpatrick conor (@cskilpatrick) says:

    @GreenLantern2814: BRAINIAC ATTACKS was not made under the DCUniverse Animated Original Movie banner – only four projects have been made under it.  Movies like BRAINIAC ATTACKS and RETURN OF THE JOKER and MASK OF THE PHANTASM aren’t a part of it.

  52. Your Also forgetting Batman SubZero, and I count it since it’s an out of DCAU Continuity.

  53. I soooooo wished it was James Woods as Hades.

  54. Was that an Insult to the Chals?

  55. Conor Kilpatrick conor (@cskilpatrick) says:

    @GreenLantern2814: Being outside of DCAU continuity doesn’t change the fact that none of those movies were made by this production unit.

  56. akamuu akamuu says:

    As someone who’s always been more of  a Marvel guy (not a zombie, just a guy) than a DC fan, I’ve been surprised by the high quality of the DC animated direct to DVD movies.  New Frontier is my favorite animated movie that I first viewed as an adult (you can’t replace your childhood favorites), and Batman: Gothic Knight is not close bvehind it.

     

    I loved the story on this, but I was not a fan of the Wonder Woman voice acting, which I think is a fault of the voice director more than the actress.  Many of her readings took me out of the movie for a second.  I also second Sonia’s comments on the lighting.  The animation was very good, but not as evocative as the Cooke inspired New Frontier.

  57. Gabe Gabe says:

    I don’t believe that subzero, or any of the aformentioned movies are out of DCAU continuity, especially as Subzero is mentioned a few times in BTAS.  Braniac attacks shouldn’t count cause it wasn’t by the same people, and it sucked, same goes for mystery of the batwoman.

  58. Chris Rohling Anson17 says:

    "What did you think, I’m a fucking Amazon," may be better than "I’m the God damn Batman."

  59. @Anson: I didnt know Frank Miller was a writer for this! :)

  60. sunhero sunhero says:

    nice review. I liked the gest reviewers should use them for more regular special edition podcasts on various subjects.

  61. LukeB LukeB says:

    I loved the invisible missiles line

  62. lantern4life lantern4life says:

    This DVD was great after the 30 min mark.  I was incredibly surprised since I am no where close to being a Wonder Woman fan.  Nathan Fillion Rulez

  63. Pbakeo100 says:

    I loved this flick!  But I was wondering if seeing and enjoying this movie has changed your thinking on Gail Simones writing/books with her wiring the script.

  64. Conor Kilpatrick conor (@cskilpatrick) says:

    @Pbakeo100: Gail Simone didn’t write the script, Michael Jelenic did.  She and Michael Jelenic plotted the story.

  65. UncleBob UncleBob says:

    @conor or the ifanboy staff:

    What did you think of Greg Rucka’s run on Wonder Woman, would you recommend it?

  66. It was pretty lame. Trevor was just a weird creep.

  67. Conor Kilpatrick conor (@cskilpatrick) says:

    @UncleBob: I thought Rucka’s WONDER WOMAN was okay.  I didn’t really love it.  I seem to be in the minority, though.  Everyone else who read it seems to love it.

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